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U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Not at high-paying tech companies, those usually cover most or all of insurance.

You're still paying for it, but like payroll taxes it comes out of your salary before you even see it which makes people think it's "free".

Sure, and if you live in Canada, you're explicitly paying for healthcare in the form of high taxes.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Let's not pretend that Canadian cities are a utopia for tech workers. Vancouver and Toronto are insanely expensive and salaries just don't compare to those a hundred kilometres to the south. Hopefully it steadily improves but I'm not hopeful with these tech companies having virtually an unlimited supply and no incentive to boost salaries.

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Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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US was playing the last few decades with an easy cheat code of sucking in smart immigrants while the rest of the developed world was twiddling thumbs. Now that the US has shot itself on its foot and others are waking up, the playing field appears to be getting more balanced once again.

The US is still the most prefered destination country: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/11/these-are-the-countri.... It overshadows the next four popular destinations combined.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Vancouverite here. When major tech companies started setting up satellite offices here, I assumed it'd be a temporary situation, and that we'd be at the mercy of any change in the U.S. immigration process. The longer there's an immigration bottleneck though, the more entrenched these companies become here. There are more senior roles opening up here all the time, and salaries are increasing in this competitive market…

Also better healthcare. My parents have friends that moved from the US to Canada due to this and the very competitive job market in the US with virtually no employee rights. They weren't working in tech but banking/services.

Working for a Silicon Valley tech company, you typically have extremely good health insurance and a vastly higher salary than anything in Canada. Salaries north of the border are a pittance compared to what you could earn in even a mid-tiered US city. I remember about 3 years ago being offered a “senior” “lead” rails developer position in Toronto paying $C30 per hour. And a non-lead was paying $C25 per hour. Ridiculous. And Toronto isn’t a cheap city. I made triple that working remotely for a Kansas City company.

Canada is a nice place, live there if you want, but “competitive compensation” is definitely not a reason.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Companies that are nowhere near as successful as those in the US, developer salaries that are nowhere near those in the US. I don't think I get it.

Those wildly successful US companies have Canadian offices too, usually ;)

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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The Bay Area is full. Voters certainly don’t want any growth here. It’s time for companies to move out of the bay area

I'm a voter in the Bay Area and I disagree. So do many others.

The Bay Area isn't even close to full, it's just NIMBYs who hate any change blocking things.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Toronto salaries are less than half than in the US for software developer roles. With the high cost of living, I dont know how anyone can live there.

> ____ salaries are less than half than in the US for software developer roles. You can fill the blank with essentially any non-US location and it would remain correct. Nowhere in the world pays tech workers as much as US does, in absolute or relative terms. Most of the world, Canada included, has priced developer salaries close to engineer salaries. The US is the sole exception where developer salaries are priced cl…

>The US is the sole exception where developer salaries are priced close to doctor salaries.

This is incorrect. Good software developers in Poland, and to some extent the Ukraine, are enjoying salaries comparable with doctors there, if not more.

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Toronto may be expensive but it's not SF-level expensive. Salaries may not compare but you don't have to worry about basic things like healthcare and high-powered weaponry in the streets. Those are just the top two–there are many other reasons to move to Canada than just money.

High powered weaponry in the street? Someone has given you a very unrealistic conception of California.

> Someone has given you a very unrealistic conception of California.

That someone might have been a Californian. To pick a recent example: https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Videos-show-fatal-shoot...

Hyperbole aside, you are more likely to die from firearms in California than Canada. Most of that, on both sides of the border, is suicide.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Now is the time to leave. 18 years in the US with a kid born here. I missed the boat in getting my priority date around the time when my friends were getting theirs (my company was laying off people in other departments and my application got audited). Didn't think it was a big deal at that time. Now, my friends are getting their citizenships and I'm still stuck on a visa. I'm at the whim of the Consul officer and th…

18 years? That's scary. I'm surprised at the amount of confidence you have in the USCIS that you might get a greed card. If you are still on a visa, I don't see how soon you believe you can get a green card in a reasonable amount of time. I'm not sure you can use the EB-1 category even with an L-1 - unless you're at a very high level in your company. Even for that category, the waitlist is currently about 5 years.

Well, I just don't think about it. Pay being very high makes up for it. My priority date is 2 years behind the current priority date for EB2 so I'm hoping for a miracle. I cannot leave because we are so entrenched here and have lots of friends we don't want to leave behind.

It doesn't have to be a L1. Even with a H1B, if you worked as a manager in India and come here with a manager title (even Project Manager), you can apply in EB1 as a multinational manager. It's a terrible loophole and one that's mercilessly exploited.

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