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Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Given what was invented at CERN you think Facebook would have the decency to give them a free license!

That's basically stating that influencers should get free stuff; CERN is a company that handles hundreds of millions, and I don't believe they're too poor to pay for services.

It's kind of weird to describe CERN as "a company", doesn't quite capture the spirit of it...

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Maybe they should consider following Mozilla and just self-host their own instance of Riot.

A $5-$50/mo Linode + a tiny bit of ops overhead has to be less expensive than anything anyone else is charging (whether Facebook, Slack, Teams, etc.). Plus, then they at least have complete ownership / control of their data, which for an organization like CERN seems a little important...

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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This has tradition at CERN. I wonder why they even considered Facebook's offering, but I guess they do not dismiss proprietary solutions as well. Whatever works? Often enough they end up writing their own tools, if nothing fitting is available, and this might end up in the public domain (since AFAIK everything at CERN is basically paid for by the public, i.e. various member states, EU etc.).

CERN IT administration is sometimes pretty idiotic. When I was still in physics, they replaced the well-loved homegrown Hypernews system with Microsoft something, a move welcomed by no one.

For once I would like a company I work for to move to a clearly better product...

So far they seem to be searching for the worst of all worlds.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Maybe they should consider following Mozilla and just self-host their own instance of Riot. A $5-$50/mo Linode + a tiny bit of ops overhead has to be less expensive than anything anyone else is charging (whether Facebook, Slack, Teams, etc.). Plus, then they at least have complete ownership / control of their data, which for an organization like CERN seems a little important...

It says they already run their own internal Mattermost intance which does the same thing. Having run both MM and Riot for real users I can say that MM is the far more professional and well-designed of the two.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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I'm surprised CERN has tried it in the first place. I mean, if CERN can produce things like ProtonMail, it can definitely conjure up massively superior alternatives to facecrook.

CERN did not produce ProtonMail. A few people who previously worked at CERN did.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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So, what happens to all the data that is poured into Workplace ? No mattermost import, I suppose ?

Besides the fact that it makes no sense to import Facebook-style data into a chat, doing so would only be useful if more than a tiny amount of the data in Workplace was actually worth keeping.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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I don't see this as price shaming. I see a HUGE "we don't trust these folks to begin with...". Facebook is cancer for humanity. It gives 1 and takes 50. And then dilligently finds ways to use that 50 to hurt you, for their profit. I wouldn't trust any sensitive information with them. And especially CERN? These guys have info and tech to end life. Some random admin with god-mode that will get bribed by Saudis/ wouldn'…

>And especially CERN? These guys have info and tech to end life.

Someone has been reading too many Dan Brown novels.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given what was invented at CERN you think Facebook would have the decency to give them a free license!

That's basically stating that influencers should get free stuff; CERN is a company that handles hundreds of millions, and I don't believe they're too poor to pay for services.

Except that CERN is not a company, nor is it swimming in money.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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I read this as an announcement of the 'why' they dropped it for their own 150 active users. There's nothing wrong with saying you stop something because it has become too expensive. It's not price shaming, it's saying that you're not willing to pay the price that has increased. It would've been price shaming if it said that it was so much money for so little services.

There's nothing wrong with dropping an internal tool because you don't want to pay for it. Posting about it publicly is a different story. I'm not seeing why they would post about it publicly unless they wanted to put public pressure on Facebook to let them keep using it for free. To me, that's price shaming.

So it was ok to publicly say that they're trying it out, and FB to benefit from the PR exposure but not ok to say it didn't work out at the price FB is asking.

IMHO you're either silent about everything, or open about everything and I support that CERN is open about everything.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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I don't see this as price shaming. I see a HUGE "we don't trust these folks to begin with...". Facebook is cancer for humanity. It gives 1 and takes 50. And then dilligently finds ways to use that 50 to hurt you, for their profit. I wouldn't trust any sensitive information with them. And especially CERN? These guys have info and tech to end life. Some random admin with god-mode that will get bribed by Saudis/ wouldn'…

> And especially CERN? These guys have info and tech to end life.

Wat.

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