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Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Then why was he not prosecuted for that? There wasn't even enough evidence to bring that to the trial.

Why spend a ton of money prosecuting someone who's already in jail for life?

Well for one thing he wasn't in jail for life when they made the decision not to push for charges.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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You're casting vague FUD and not going into the details. The murders-for-hire are absolutely the most critical part of this whole case. >No one deserves this, even if they have to here for the sake of others’ safety. Certainly, the many non-violent drug offenders growing old in here don’t. Pain does not heal pain. A lost soul is not redeemed in a cage. I agree with this part of Ulbricht's letter here. If not for thos…

>> The murders-for-hire are absolutely the most critical part of this whole case. Well maybe he should have been charged for that.

It would've been good, for sure. It's unfortunate Mark Force had to fuck it all up.

To be clear, though, the judge did still explicitly permit the murder-for-hire evidence to be submitted during trial, even though he wasn't charged for it. They also factored it into the sentencing.

When I say "most critical part", I mean from a moral standpoint, especially for people who see no moral issue with drugs. For the government, the drug kingpin stuff was enough to build a case. For libertarian-sympathizing people who otherwise would've supported him, the murders-for-hire are what change this from something worthy of protest to something pretty open-and-shut.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Wired did an awful job at covering the case. Total sensationalism. That link you sent is a 6-year-old hit-piece. Nothing more. This case generated sensationalism and media like Wired and ArsTechnica ran with it, at the expense of a young man awaiting trial. They destroyed his public image and relayed false and inaccurate information. It's sad to see people still sharing those superficial and sensationalized articles…

I am not going to trust the veracity of any story hosted at a site called freeross.org. They have no objectivity.

You’re being downvoted for disagreeing when GP says “Ars and Wired are garbage media, you should instead trust this post _from Ross’s own website_ as the truth”. Come on HN

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Because there was no need to, the other charges were enough to put him away for life. There's really very little reason to doubt he did it, either.

Educate yourself. The prosecutor "addressed the jury and stated that none of the six contracted murders-for-hire occurred." These charges were dismissed with prejudice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Silk_Road,_arres...

I mean, no, they didn't actually occur, that is the good part.

That doesn't let Ross off the hook for attempting to make them occur.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Just in case any of you are wondering who Ross is ... He created the Silk Road, a popular online exchange for illegal drugs, and prosecutors alleged that he paid $730K to try to kill six people. (He was not, however, charged with attempted murder. Instead, he was charged and convicted of money laundering and drug offenses.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht EDIT: I just want to make completely clear that I…

These 7-year-old allegations relied solely on anonymous chats NEVER proven to have been authored by Ulbricht. It's well known now there were multiple people behind the DPR accounts AND 2 corrupt agents (now in prison) had admin access too. Never proven, never prosecuted and dismissed "with prejudice" by the govt, meaning they can never be used against him again. Ross was NOT accused of selling drugs or laundering mon…

Is the appeal brief considered a reliable source?

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/186

"The district court found by a preponderance of the evidence that Ulbricht commissioned at least five murders in the course of protecting Silk Road's anonymity, a finding that Ulbricht does not challenge in this appeal. Ulbricht discussed those anticipated murders callously and casually in his journal and in his communications with the purported assassin Redandwhite."

"Ulbricht does not mention his orders for the commission of those murders until his reply brief. Even there, he does not argue that the district court erred in concluding that he deliberately commissioned those murders; rather, he claims instead only that the murders did not support a life sentence because they did not actually take place."

"But in evaluating Ulbricht's character and dangerousness, the most relevant points are that he wanted the murders to be committed, he paid for them, and he believed that they had been carried out. The fact that his hired assassin may have defrauded him does not reflect positively on Ulbricht's character. Commissioning the murders significantly justified the life sentence."

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Educate yourself. The prosecutor "addressed the jury and stated that none of the six contracted murders-for-hire occurred." These charges were dismissed with prejudice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Silk_Road,_arres...

I mean, no, they didn't actually occur, that is the good part. That doesn't let Ross off the hook for attempting to make them occur.

Luckily, for Ross, none of them actually occurred as they would have made him eligible for the death penalty under the CCE statute.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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You're casting vague FUD and not going into the details. The murders-for-hire are absolutely the most critical part of this whole case. >No one deserves this, even if they have to here for the sake of others’ safety. Certainly, the many non-violent drug offenders growing old in here don’t. Pain does not heal pain. A lost soul is not redeemed in a cage. I agree with this part of Ulbricht's letter here. If not for thos…

>> The murders-for-hire are absolutely the most critical part of this whole case. Well maybe he should have been charged for that.

The prosecutors were going after much more serious charges, namely the conspiracy to traffic narcotics and the CCE so they rightly threw the evidence towards proving those in court rather than take a segue into a charge that has something like a 10 year max sentence. A "non-violent" kingpin is a rarity, and they proved with massive amounts of evidence that Ulbricht was like any other kingpin, willing to use violence to protect his empire. The judge methodically walked through the sentencing guidelines, and Ulbricht scored a whopping 50 out of 43 (only 2 points were added for the directed use of violence).

Ulbricht should be grateful none of the murders actually happened as the CCE has a special clause for murders carried out as part of operating the criminal enterprise, making the defendant eligible for the death penalty. Contract murder is quite serious because of the huge amount of premeditation involved (i.e. not a "crime of passion" or temporary misjudgment) and cold-blooded motives such as money or concealing other criminal activity.

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