Personally it scares me that this can affect people so young. Heart problems are no joke - if people just take care of themselves and remember to take their pills a lot of lives could be saved.
A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
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Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
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Does this happen in young, healthy individuals? I was reading the Wikipedia article linked in another thread [1], and several of the "sudden" deaths were people in their 40s that appear to have been healthy. Do you feel symptoms, eg. during exercise, that you should listen to so as to inform you to stop whatever activity you're doing? Feeling light-headed, short of breath, blurry vision, etc.? I run and also perform…
Last year med student here, sudden cardiac arrest commonly occur in young people. Apart from infectious myocarditis which you might notice as fatigue and reduced performance after you’ve suffered a respiratory infection, hypertrophic myocardiopathy and especially hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy is often hereditary and can be mortal without showing prior symptoms. That’s why after a patient’s death you usually…
I'm adopted. Can I find out if I'm at risk from a DNA mapping service like 23andme?
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
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I cannot wait until we cure aging so we can die on our own terms. The right to death should be as inalienable as the right to life, and nothing short of the heat death should be allowed to make this decision for a sentient being.
A couple of thoughts: 1. If everyone lives until the end of the universe, what does that mean for the prospect of having children? I would think it would mean that we would need to stop having children at some point, or else we would overcrowd whatever portion of space that we are occupying at some point. Not being allowed to have children would be sad. I don’t have any children yet, but I want to have children in th…
Those are all good points.
1) By the time we would live that long, we'd arguably be mostly virtual, and spread throughout the universe. So space wouldn't be an issue.
2) Yes, we might be stuck in old ways. But we could tweak ourselves however we wanted. With backups, of course.
3) I'm sure that there'd be lots of biological reproduction, somewhere anyway, so evolution wouldn't stop.
4) Most of the SF that I've read posits that people will spend most of their time in stasis. Or in bobbles.
5) Yeah, it'd be a tough decision to make. But if we got to the point of living that long, one hopes that we'd be doing it in good health. And if felt like you needed a break, you could just sleep for a billion years :)
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
A couple of thoughts: 1. If everyone lives until the end of the universe, what does that mean for the prospect of having children? I would think it would mean that we would need to stop having children at some point, or else we would overcrowd whatever portion of space that we are occupying at some point. Not being allowed to have children would be sad. I don’t have any children yet, but I want to have children in th…
All of these problems are solved by transcending flesh and blood. Why wouldn't a brain-emulation want to live forever, with just as much zest for life and learning after a billion years as today; and what's stopping us from eventually hosting a googolplex such ems (= plenty of room for raising kids) on "only" the computational substrate of a single Sol-powered matrioshka brain?
If I show you a machine that people step into and are then brought out the other side on a single Sol-powered matrioshka brain then I suppose you would take that offer, however there is a leap between the two states that cannot be conclusively proven. How do we know that the consciousness is in the matrioshka is the person who went in.
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
I cannot wait until we cure aging so we can die on our own terms. The right to death should be as inalienable as the right to life, and nothing short of the heat death should be allowed to make this decision for a sentient being.
I really want what you have said to be true, but I think there are upper limits we can reach that prevent us from really ever being the arbiters of our own death. That which allows us to become living, must also force us to become nothing, death is the necessity for life, and life is the necessity for death. Skipping death, means skipping life. If every human that ever lived could live forever, would we have been bor…
Why shouldn’t we ask that without eternal life?
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Seeing how I change with years, I’d like to live to 200-500-1000 years old. Not because I want to live so bad, but because this is a frightening distance that is a completely wild territory for us to imagine. I’ll watch that movie (if not yet), thanks for the reference. Everything I watched before was pretty “same person tired and/or mindless”-centric, like interview with a vampire, highlander, etc. But it was more entertainment, what humans like to see at cinema, than a really deep analysis of thousands of years old beings.
Thinking that you’ll be the same after an amount of time is naive.
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
#66That's how any sane person would want to go. It's funny[.] how much time and money and effort goes in to keeping aged people alive in conditions that are terrible. Do what you love, and go out on top. [.]appalling
I cannot wait until we cure aging so we can die on our own terms. The right to death should be as inalienable as the right to life, and nothing short of the heat death should be allowed to make this decision for a sentient being.
Liability insurance is going to go through the roof.
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
A couple of thoughts: 1. If everyone lives until the end of the universe, what does that mean for the prospect of having children? I would think it would mean that we would need to stop having children at some point, or else we would overcrowd whatever portion of space that we are occupying at some point. Not being allowed to have children would be sad. I don’t have any children yet, but I want to have children in th…
I would think, that if, living forever in perfect health was as easy taking a shot, a pill, or even drinking from the public water supply ( we might get very creative when distributing the aging cure ), society would probably view dying of natural causes as killing yourself.
> society would probably view dying of natural causes as killing yourself.
Not much differently than we do anti-vax or people who deny themselves lifesaving treatments today.
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
#68That happened years ago in Italy as well: Mango was his name
There's also the interesting case of Paramahansa Yogananda:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramahansa_Yogananda#Death
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
All of these problems are solved by transcending flesh and blood. Why wouldn't a brain-emulation want to live forever, with just as much zest for life and learning after a billion years as today; and what's stopping us from eventually hosting a googolplex such ems (= plenty of room for raising kids) on "only" the computational substrate of a single Sol-powered matrioshka brain?
If I show you a machine that people step into and are then brought out the other side on a single Sol-powered matrioshka brain then I suppose you would take that offer, however there is a leap between the two states that cannot be conclusively proven. How do we know that the consciousness is in the matrioshka is the person who went in.
The trick is to do in gradually, ship of Theseus style.
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
All of these problems are solved by transcending flesh and blood. Why wouldn't a brain-emulation want to live forever, with just as much zest for life and learning after a billion years as today; and what's stopping us from eventually hosting a googolplex such ems (= plenty of room for raising kids) on "only" the computational substrate of a single Sol-powered matrioshka brain?
If I show you a machine that people step into and are then brought out the other side on a single Sol-powered matrioshka brain then I suppose you would take that offer, however there is a leap between the two states that cannot be conclusively proven. How do we know that the consciousness is in the matrioshka is the person who went in.
> How do we know that the consciousness is in the matrioshka is the person who went in.
If we could solve this today we would already be well on the way immortality! But there are some theories, the most prominent of which is a Moravec Transfer[1]:
> A neuron-sized robot swims up to a neuron and scans it into memory. A computer starts simulating the neuron. The robot waits until the neuron perfectly matches its simulation inside the computer, and then replaces the neuron with itself as smoothly as possible, sending inputs to the computer and transmitting outputs from the simulation of a neuron inside the computer.
> This entire procedure has had no effect on the flow of information in the brain, except that one neuron's worth of processing is now being done inside a computer instead of a neuron. Repeat, neuron by neuron, until the entire brain is composed of robot neurons whose guts are inside the computer.