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Larry Wall on religion and Perl culture (1999)

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Re: Larry Wall on religion and Perl culture (1999)

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I went through a phase like that, and I still have to be careful not to let it slip into my judging process. Larry is one of the people who helped me get over it. I've met him a few times now, and he's strikingly intelligent and thoughtful. I've met very few people of that intellectual caliber, in fact, and I've met quite a few famously smart people. The difference between a brilliant theist and a stupid one is that…

One of those things that attracts me to the hacker 'ethos', so-to-speak, is seeing people reaching into disparate and esoteric depths to stitch together seemingly outlandish but uniquely powerful solutions. I've been just as guilty of being intellectually self-righteous as anyone, but these days I see elitism of any status-quo as completely counter-productive when it comes to inspiring creativity and diversity. That…

"Maybe I should start wearing a skirt."

YAPC is in North Carolina in June. You'll fit right in. I won't be wearing a skirt, but I'm weird enough on other counts (I live in a truck, for instance, and travel full-time).

Re: Larry Wall on religion and Perl culture (1999)

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It never fails to amaze me how otherwise very intelligent and thoughtful people remain stuck believing in God. I must say I can't help feel a little less impressed with people when I learn they are theists.

> It never fails to amaze me how otherwise very intelligent > and thoughtful people remain stuck believing in God.

Hey! I'm a theist. Most of the time. I keep meaning to read Donald Knuth's "Things a Computer Scientist Rarely Talks About." Has anyone here read/listened to it?

http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/things.html "In the fall of 1999, computer scientist Donald E. Knuth was invited to give six public lectures at MIT on the general subject of relations between faith and science."

Re: Larry Wall on religion and Perl culture (1999)

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lol: FEED: The hacker community is full of very cantankerous and opinionated individuals. Have you gotten much grief for being so open about your Christian beliefs? WALL: I've had no difficulty with it....I see God looking down on all these weird, cantankerous people, and kinda liking them, in an artistic fashion....There are certainly a bunch of what I would clearly label sinners out there....

...But they are real people, and they have real problems, and they just need real help...

Re: Larry Wall on religion and Perl culture (1999)

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I think it's clear why the OP comes off as sounding condescending. Just as I think it's clear why I come off as condescending in that post. I also think the implied definition of what is religious and spiritual is pretty narrow, and seems to lend itself to monotheistic and/or abrahamic traditions. A lot of what people might say is 'spiritual' can end up being a lot more philosophical than mystical. The terms always e…

"I don't mind people disagreeing with theism, or talking about it. What I don't like is the implicit attitude, which can often be, "you believe in something other than pure hard science, and I don't, so I'm smarter."" unfortunate, because the usual representation of the believers in media are tea-partiers/creationists etc. or the ones who voted for bush because "he prays and asks god for his decisions, so he's good"…

(I hope that last line came off as a joke, as I intended ;) )
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