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Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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I mean, it's good to reduce disposable cables, but it's not like Apple is egregious about this. The Lightning port has been in use longer than the time between the release of USB and Mini-USB, Mini-USB and Micro-USB, Micro-USB and USB-C, or USB-C to today. The 30-pin connector was current for 9 years, even longer than Lightning has been around.

This is a rather pointless stat though. None of the cables currently available are rated for 9 years and most have a ridiculously short lifespan of 1-2 years anyway. In fact it probably works against Apple as it demonstrates that the churn of innovation doesn't really exist if new advances only occur every 9 years.

How is it pointless?

The article talks about trying to cut down on electronic waste:

> The regulator is determined to cut down on electronic waste being created by obsolete cables, which it estimates generate more than 51,000 tonnes of waste per year.

It's surely much less wasteful to extend the life of the cable standard than to ensure longer cable lifespans. Even if you had a cable that lasted 7 years, chances are the standard would have changed and you would be forced to replace it. You can always purchase higher quality cables that do have longer lifespans if Apple's aren't up to your quality standards.

> In fact it probably works against Apple as it demonstrates that the churn of innovation doesn't really exist if new advances only occur every 9 years.

I think you may have misunderstood the OP statistics. My understanding was that the industry standards have previously been churning at a higher rate than Apple's standards. So Apple's standards are often longer lived than the standard connections.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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I mean, it's good to reduce disposable cables, but it's not like Apple is egregious about this. The Lightning port has been in use longer than the time between the release of USB and Mini-USB, Mini-USB and Micro-USB, Micro-USB and USB-C, or USB-C to today. The 30-pin connector was current for 9 years, even longer than Lightning has been around.

This is a rather pointless stat though. None of the cables currently available are rated for 9 years and most have a ridiculously short lifespan of 1-2 years anyway. In fact it probably works against Apple as it demonstrates that the churn of innovation doesn't really exist if new advances only occur every 9 years.

As I understand it, there are real advantages (other than selling more cables) to making the cable connectors more fragile than those on the device. You actually want most of the wear and tear to take place on the cable rather than the device connector because it is cheaper and easier to replace.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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Lightning cables are by far the most fragile. Either they get frayed, tarnished, or just plain stop working. Edit: it's not just me, a simple Google search turns up the following: [0]. Apple phone/tablet hardware is great but the cables they ship are unfortunately not very good. [0]: https://www.cnet.com/news/these-are-the-lowest-rated-product...

YMMV, anecdotal, etc. but my Apple-brand cables have never done this, while some walmart $5 ones have.

Same anecdote here -- every lightning cable has held up spectacularly. I've still bought a couple of extra long braided ones just because, but the included ones are fine.

And even if the cable failed, it's worth noting that with the various USB variants before USB-C, it was likely the connector in the device that failed rather than the cable (because it bore the load). I had more than one device have the USB port destroyed under ordinary use.

I still prefer lightning to USB-C, but if it wasn't for Apple doing their own thing we'd probably be still on some ridiculous USB variant with a litany of design mistakes.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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Is it meaningfully smaller? Side by side, they look the same size to me.

Yes? That depends on the device, of course. I think another good argument for phones is that it's surely much easier to clean lint out of a lightning port than a USB C port. Edit: But probably, I'd guess, right now the main reason Apple has stuck to lightning to whatever extent it is is because it's more convenient for its customers. USB C is already the standard, and Apple would benefit from switching to USB C acros…

> Apple would benefit from switching to USB C across its product line if its customers would like that more.

Regarding this specifically, I think it's because Apple makes money from licensing Lightning cables and lightning accessories.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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Government mandated technology. What could go wrong?

This is exactly the sort of thing governments are good at. Previous successes are things like railway gauges, power connectors, power voltages, measurement units, etc. This is the sort of thing that allows the free market to work efficiently.

Things like railway gauges are components of a large-scale national network.

That is not true of a device connector, which only has to work between the device and the power brick.

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Please no. Design. by committee, specially political ones, is the worst thing that could happen to innovation.

But isn't that how USB and lots of standards are designed? Not political but still committees. It might not be perfectly elegant but at least it's a universal standard, which is the main point of it. I don't want the return of Sony Memorysticks and all that nonsense as every company tries to be the winner. 18V powertool batteries currently suffer from pointless brand fragmentation even though they're all basically th…

The USB interface isn't perfect. Committees for setting standards should exist, but they should not be the only driving factor for change.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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Well, FWIW even without these kinds of forcing, Apple still will move on to the USB-C connector... USB-C is literally an Apple designed port. The iPad Pro is adopting USB-C, I suspect that the next generation of iPhones will also adopt USB-C. It's just that the current market of lightning is too big and they weren't prepared for the overhaul yet.

Apple had engineers on the design team, but it's definitely not their invention. Even an Apple-focused publication agrees with that: https://9to5mac.com/2015/03/14/apple-invent-usb-type-c/

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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This is exactly the sort of thing governments are good at. Previous successes are things like railway gauges, power connectors, power voltages, measurement units, etc. This is the sort of thing that allows the free market to work efficiently.

Things like railway gauges are components of a large-scale national network. That is not true of a device connector, which only has to work between the device and the power brick.

With a standard connector one can have standardised power bricks too, which may eventually lead to no need for power bricks at all.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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Things like railway gauges are components of a large-scale national network. That is not true of a device connector, which only has to work between the device and the power brick.

With a standard connector one can have standardised power bricks too, which may eventually lead to no need for power bricks at all.

But we already have that. The power brick almost always has a USB connector on it nowadays (even with Apple), and it didn't require setting up a perpetual committee of bureaucrats to feed at the public trough.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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My car has an option for a built in Qi charger. It’s in the spot you normally put your phone anyway. That being said, how would you service a portless phone? There would be no more DFU mode.

It seems like it’s essential right now at least. The Apple Watch has a hidden lightning port that I have never even seen.

You’ve never seen it because it doesn’t exist. :)

It was an unsubstantiated rumor.

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