Would be nice for (a) company/ies to do the same and allow for remote work while partnering with online program(s) (a la udemey & co or even some Harvard online). That way, it would let people all over the world access it and pool some really dope talent for the company(ies)! The students would be thrilled for the free or subsidized education while having some real world practice from real world companies. I remember…
Remote work can be difficult for experienced engineers. I imagine it would be a huge burden for new engineers.
Wait how do they make money out of this. They're paying salary to people that can't yet code? I've seen companies strugle to make money with mid level devs.
When you’re the first large provider of tech apprenticeships, you want apprentices to stick around after graduation. The problem is that Shopify generally can’t force employees to stay (companies hate suing over breach of contract for education subsidies). One work around is to pay a low salary during the training period. That’s exactly what Shopify is doing (160K over 4 years = 40K per year). This could be a cheap w…
Wait how do they make money out of this. They're paying salary to people that can't yet code? I've seen companies strugle to make money with mid level devs.
They’re not paying them that much- $160 000 over four years, including tuition. So it’s $40 000 a year, which is a great deal imo (for both parties). I assume that, with sufficient screening, you can get someone contributing relatively quickly, and start getting value. I think the key is the screening- they’re not giving this offer to every CS student. At the places I’ve worked, we’ve definitely got value out of inte…
For 40k you can hire senior engineers with degrees in Europe.
This looks a lot more like an apprenticeship to me than a degree. Which I think is fantastic, Universities are generally terrible at teaching practical skills and fantastic at teaching theory.
Waterloo does this where they mix internships and study throughout their time.
We dont have accreditation from universities, but this is the direction we are going with the RedCarpet ROCKS program . https://www.redcarpetup.com/rocks we do active placement here (unless we hire them). We have an above 90% placement rate here.
Interested. Final year I.T. engineering student from university of Mumbai.
When you’re the first large provider of tech apprenticeships, you want apprentices to stick around after graduation. The problem is that Shopify generally can’t force employees to stay (companies hate suing over breach of contract for education subsidies). One work around is to pay a low salary during the training period. That’s exactly what Shopify is doing (160K over 4 years = 40K per year). This could be a cheap w…
> On top of this, Shopify pays students' tuition, a competitive salary, and vacation, for a total financial support of more than $160,000. From https://devdegree.ca/pages/student-experience . It appears that you dont get paid 40k. 40k per year is the total they will expend on you, with tuition being part of that.
It seems like a good deal. Carleton is around 10k to 12k CA a year in fees. So let's say 40k total for the accelerated program. That leaves 120k for about 4500 hours, averaging out to about 27 an hour. Sure that's not competitive with top paying cs internships. But they get a free cs degree, come out with significant work experience, and get offered this with little to no programming experience.
Reminder that this exists, which is a Software Engineering MSc from a reasonably well-known uni, that you're meant to do while working: http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ all-in cost was something like £25,000 for me including accommodation, and they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees. EDIT: happy to answer questions by email
"reasonably well known", isn't Oxford considered one of the best universities of the world?
Wait how do they make money out of this. They're paying salary to people that can't yet code? I've seen companies strugle to make money with mid level devs.
When you’re the first large provider of tech apprenticeships, you want apprentices to stick around after graduation. The problem is that Shopify generally can’t force employees to stay (companies hate suing over breach of contract for education subsidies). One work around is to pay a low salary during the training period. That’s exactly what Shopify is doing (160K over 4 years = 40K per year). This could be a cheap w…
I need to move to the states if 40k is a low salary for a junior over there. I started on less than that.
This looks a lot more like an apprenticeship to me than a degree. Which I think is fantastic, Universities are generally terrible at teaching practical skills and fantastic at teaching theory.
That's what we call 'Duales Studium' in Germany. You just do your semesters normally and in between instead of springbreak etc you work for the company.
This is like part-time studies at a university of applied science in Switzerland. You can work up to 60% but the bachelors degree takes a year longer.