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The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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I can't imagine anyone having read everything in this list. It would take more than a lifetime for me at my reading speed.

That's why we have Harvard classics so we can skip nonsense that gets irrelevant overtimes

How does reading the classics shelter from engaging with ephemeral works?

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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Bloom is one of my least favorite literary critics. I find his writing to be snobbish, presumptuous, and self-assured. It makes for a quite frustrating read. There's plenty of writers in the field that manage to do just as much of an effective, if not better, job without constantly sounding self-righteous. James Wood, for example, is also a popular literary critic (his books likewise find their way beyond the academi…

The only thing worse than reading his writing was being his student. He was the ultimate bureaucratic academic, skimming off his students' research and undercutting their futures. Oh, and fucking them (or trying to), if they were pretty enough and female.

His "literature of resentment" codifies the outgoing generations irritation at insufficient worship and gratitude.

RIP, he won't be missed, and his ideas are sinking ever-further into irrelevance.

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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The idea of a canon might be controversial, but you really can’t go wrong with anything on the list. Although the lack of Marx is questionable considering his immense influence.

He omits a lot of philosophy, science, economics, and so on, that aren't directly relevant to the literary canon.

True, but he includes Nietzche - while Nietzche's literary status is beyond question, they are not so memarkable other than the fact that they were very influential. J.S. Mill's On Liberty is also included - not being particularly appraised for its literary status as much as its influence on all liberal thought.

Marx was arguably a literary genius in the same way Nietzche was, and influential in the way J.S. Mill was. He should be on the list by both accounts of what the list should contain. Not to mention, Bloom includes many authors who count Marx among their primary influences, like Walter Benjamin, Brecht, Orwell, Levi-Strauss, Sartre, Camus, and Bataille.

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of the English degree in this case is not to teach anything useful, it’s to inculcate one into a class. If you come from money and don’t need to develop any particular skills before being given a pile to manage any canon works as a shibboleth to allow people to distinguish whether someone else is of the “right sort”, whether the Confucian classics, the Western canon or Old Skool Rap. Obviously social scienc…

> The point of the English degree in this case is not to teach anything useful, it’s to inculcate one into a class. That's exactly what I meant by a pre-modern viewpoint. Where "class" or social background are more important than the actual work you're supposed to be doing, and the skills (even general-purpose skills - a social sciences degree teaches plenty of those) you're going to use to that effect. Let's just sa…

Studying English or the Confucian classics will also teach you general purpose skills; essay writing, communication, how to form and structure an argument. It’ll give you a great many ideas, stories and concepts to draw upon. If you have any evidence that the general purpose skills from a social science or public policy degree are superior to those one learns from a humanities education feel free to share.

Regarding success and decadence I don’t see much in the way of evidence that humanist education is a cause of decadence rather than a marker of peace and wealth.

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