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Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

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Been there many times and I think, that it's a bit normal when leaving a company/a powerful position within. People blame always the leavers for their own mistakes or being in a crappy company. Then, the biggest challenge is to let go and accept that you cannot do anything. Of course you could 'fight back'. And tbh, I still don't know what's better.

Fighting back is a hassle, proving defamation is hard, getting lawyers is expensive, suing and the following process can take years. And the outcome? From an economic view, it's always a no, also the distraction from stuff that really matters, for what? Fighting is great, some like it a lot, but it costs so much energy. Moving on feels more sane. However, in the long run, there's always a bitter aftertaste, just an odd feeling that you lost a fight. This feeling will stay with yout for quite some time but it is often just in your head. Maybe the thing you are worrying about is not that big and not worth thinking one more sec about. You just don't know.

If there's a fool-proof way to fight + win something significant + in a short time frame, fight. Otherwise, get busy, get on new projects and once you are on a better position/in a new company you forgot them anyway.

So, asking us was a good first step to get a bit busy, get an achievement (getting on the front page) and out of racing thoughts. Now, keep on, write the next Ask HN about some tech, ask 10 peers for a coffee after new years eve, build a gaming pc, do whatever keeps you busy.

Edit: Not sure if you can trust the CEO but from what he wrote he sounds ok/friendly and he doesn't care (which is good, because if one of them would decide to sue you it would be him).

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

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This is exactly what happened to me. I went from being a model "A-player" to "He was a C-player who needed to go". Don't think for 1 second the business will ever compromise itself for you. #3 is really important. Do not shy away from sharing your stories with your potential new employer. It helps them better understand who you are. If they care about you and the investment they are making in you, then they will want…

#3 can also backfire badly. Personally I would avoid it.

If it's going to come up, either via references provided by the employee or via a backchannel, you're smarter to directly address it in the interview with the hiring manager. At least that way the hiring manager hears your side of the story too.

We hired someone who came within a hair of (deservedly) being charged with a felony by the FBI. He basically said he did something stupid 10 years ago, had learned a lesson, made amends, etc. Had he not addressed it during the interview, we would definitely have not hired him when it later came up during a formal background check.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

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Great advice there. As a hiring manager myself I really hate it when candidates slag off their current/former employeer. It's a real put off. However if you can turn a negative experience into a positive then it shows that you're not just bitter and/or a bad team player but rather that you use all experiences to help enhance your capabilities as a productive employee.

"As a hiring manager myself I really hate it when candidates slag off their current/former employeer. It's a real put off. However if you can turn a negative experience into a positive then it shows that you're not just bitter and/or a bad team player but rather that you use all experiences to help enhance your capabilities as a productive employee." What's wrong with being bitter when you are wronged by your manager…

Think of it as complaining about your ex-partner, when you are on a first date with someone you've just met. No one says that your previous company (or ex) wasn't bad and that you are to blame. It's just that people are not interested in your past but more in the future they are going to have with you. If you have 1 hour, you better spend it on advertising yourself and your skills instead of bashing others. You can complain later after you get the job, the new team get to know you better and trust you (and your stories) more.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

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That sounds horrible. It might be best to talk to a lawyer, just in case.

In my case, a former client accused me of not giving them the source of a product released earlier. The old product was in the git history after a pivot, which I had given instruction on how to get back to a release tag. Luckily I could quote old emails that I sent to them.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

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Op here, Thanks for all the advice, its honestly be helpfull and eye opening. To clear up a few things. - The comments from the ceo were via text and more "I would of called you if i thought you did something" and "ill talk to them but I dont know what more I can do". TBH I was angry and not exactly cordial in my communication. - From what I understand the "hack" wasn't my credentials but someone logging in near wher…

Why would you know the CEO's credentials? Even if you did I would start pointing that out very loudly. At least until any blamers backed back into their holes.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

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So in the US, for software engineering jobs outside of DoD related stuff...I have yet to be asked for references (even then I don't think I was for being hired, just for the clearance, and that was more personal than professional). I would actually view being asked for them as a warning sign, given how useless they are (speaking as a hiring manager). I wouldn't worry about it from that perspective. If you need to you…

Same in Poland - I've never heard of anyone asking for references here (at least not in IT). You need to bring some paperwork from the companies you worked for in the past, but it's for administrative purposes only, you do this after you are hired.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

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Get someone to ask them for a reference for you and see what it says.

Assuming this is in the US, it's exceedingly unlikely the company would risk putting a negative reference in writing. OP is unlikely to get more than a confirmation of dates worked though.

Hopefully. Tangential anecdote time here.

I was terminated from my long time employer over what they called "poor performance" that was my boss compiling an actual "dossier" on me - everything from LJ posts from my ex-wife to WHOIS info to claim/show I was moonlighting (one, my photography business), a blog from a friend thanking me for giving him advice on a startup. Basically a hit list - he'd gone off the deep end on a few things, not just me, divorcing his wife, father dying, endless arguments with business partner / co-owner of the company.

He was adamant about a little sit down/FU session with me where he'd show me this damning dossier of all my "misdeeds".

Thankfully the partner got a lawyer involved who told them, in essence, "WTF? No.".

Apropos of both the state we were in being "at-will", and my employment contract / handbook having no provisions about moonlighting etc., the LJ posts being 10+ years old, etc., he basically said "As soon as you start showing this stuff it becomes somewhat defensible - he says 'actually, no, blah blah blah'."

"Just say that today is your last day. Thank you."

My boss was vindictive though. He wanted to contest my filing Unemployment paperwork about my "poor performance". He also wanted to withhold my final paychecks pending "return of all equipment, etc.".

I literally saw in a frozen screen glitch in Zoom the lawyer's response to him on that second one, verbatim.

"No. Do not do that. You cannot do that.".

Thankfully, for me, the partner and lawyer were the voices of reason, or it could have been difficult.

In terms of looking for a new job, more gray - I never stated that I was still at that job, nor did I let any question about it go unanswered or unclear (no lies by omission), other than just not specifically saying "I was terminated from job X on day Y".

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"As a hiring manager myself I really hate it when candidates slag off their current/former employeer. It's a real put off. However if you can turn a negative experience into a positive then it shows that you're not just bitter and/or a bad team player but rather that you use all experiences to help enhance your capabilities as a productive employee." What's wrong with being bitter when you are wronged by your manager…

The company doesn't care about you and your sad sack stories, it's not your therapist. All it wants to know is if you'll produce more value than you cost (and hopefully more than the other people they're comparing you against). Being bitter about past employers is a sure fire way to fail an interview (from my personal experience) because a mopey employee is a poor performer, but it's also a lame way to go through lif…

"The company doesn't care about you and your sad sack stories, it's not your therapist. All it wants to know is if you'll produce more value than you cost"

Then maybe it shouldn't ask questions like 'why have you quit your previous job?' and focus on applicant's skills?

What I don't like is presumption that a conflict at previous job is an employee's fault.

Quite a long time ago, when I used to work for a local company, I did some hiring as a team lead and tried hard to avoid prejudice.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"As a hiring manager myself I really hate it when candidates slag off their current/former employeer. It's a real put off. However if you can turn a negative experience into a positive then it shows that you're not just bitter and/or a bad team player but rather that you use all experiences to help enhance your capabilities as a productive employee." What's wrong with being bitter when you are wronged by your manager…

Think of it as complaining about your ex-partner, when you are on a first date with someone you've just met. No one says that your previous company (or ex) wasn't bad and that you are to blame. It's just that people are not interested in your past but more in the future they are going to have with you. If you have 1 hour, you better spend it on advertising yourself and your skills instead of bashing others. You can c…

Okay, I didn't have in mind a situation when an applicant volunteers such information without any need for that.

In the setting you've described I agree with you.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

#70
Wow. Something similar happened to me a while ago, and I'm surprised and relived by the replies in this thread to find out that I'm not alone. I thought it was just me.

My advice: Ignore it. There's enough churn on both the company and personnel level in the industry that it will all be soon forgotten. Tech is not a close-knit group of people who know other people. It's millions of people joining and leaving companies, and hundreds of thousands of companies Opening and closing each day.

The gossip is just bird poop in the paint can. Eventually after enough stirring it will disappear.

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