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Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by danabrams »

foldr wrote: post #52
rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but the Barton Gellman, from the Washington Post, coordinated with Ed Snowden to publish his leaks, too. Breaking the law in such a way is just not sufficient to explain why he ends up in prison.

He coordinated with them to publish the information, not to acquire it in the first place.

The allegations against him (and there is evidence to support this) is that he didn’t just coordinate to publish, but provided instructions and technical training to Manning on how to steal them.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by [deleted] »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #35
moksly wrote: post #10

Why is the WikiLeaks foundation responsible for the content posted on their platform, when Google and Facebook aren’t? I haven’t really been following this a whole lot, but as I understand it, the US wants him extradited because his platform was used to leak sensible information that put American soldiers in danger. But why is that a thing when it isn’t for other platforms? I mean, twitter, Facebook and YouTube have…

The US is accusing him of being more than just a passive receiving end for previously exfiltrated classified info. The allegation is that he actively encouraged Manning to obtain the diplomatic cables after he sent the helicopter video, and that Manning then downloaded them. That's a whole lot more than just being a leak host.

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Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by thiagoharry »

threeseed wrote: post #13
moksly wrote: post #10

Why is the WikiLeaks foundation responsible for the content posted on their platform, when Google and Facebook aren’t? I haven’t really been following this a whole lot, but as I understand it, the US wants him extradited because his platform was used to leak sensible information that put American soldiers in danger. But why is that a thing when it isn’t for other platforms? I mean, twitter, Facebook and YouTube have…

It is alleged that Assange coordinated with Chelsea Manning and the Russian government to obtain information for Wikileaks. This would make him an active conspirator in breaking the law. Completely different from Facebook, Google, Twitter etc where they merely provide a platform for others to upload content and aren't actively involved in sourcing illegal content.

And what are the proofs about this russian government involvment?

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by spzb »

nicehat wrote: post #56
jpz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He had a fair trial for the crime of jumping bail, and has been jailed for it.

How exactly did you come to the conclusion that his trial was fair? The only coverage I've seen of the trial, which has been remarkably quiet, alleges extreme US interference: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/assange-in-c... Jullian's father is going around the world telling people how brutally corrupt this all is, and how he fears for his son's life. The UN Special Rapporteur on Torture agrees with hi…

It was an open and shut case. He was bailed to appear in court. He didn’t appear in court but hid for several years out of the court’s jurisdiction.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by nabla9 »

sneak wrote: post #30
nabla9 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WikiLeaks is journalistic organization. (Some claim that they are shitty journalistic organization, but that is not a good argument for removing their status as journalistic organization) The question you should be asking is why Assange and not journalists in NYT, Guardian etc. who published what Assange provided? The answer is that charges against Assange are not about publishing secret information. Charges are Assa…

He has not yet been put on trial. He must be presumed innocent of all charges until such time that he is. Torturing even a guilty person is not acceptable. Torturing an innocent one is presumably less so.

Assange is presumed innocent.

Assange is in jail because his lawyers are challenging the US extradition request and there is legal process going on.

There is no evidence of him being tortured. He seems to have mental problems. People getting mentally ill in jails is very common.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by feanaro »

evgen wrote: post #54
sneak wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has not yet been put on trial. He must be presumed innocent of all charges until such time that he is. Torturing even a guilty person is not acceptable. Torturing an innocent one is presumably less so.

The only people required to presume him innocent are the jurors in his trial. The rest of us are under no such compulsion for self-delusion.

And who are the jurors? The jurors are you. You should not expect of yourself to magically pause your judgement only in the event of being chosen as a a juror. The pause of judgement should be your default state.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by foldr »

danabrams wrote: post #61
foldr wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He coordinated with them to publish the information, not to acquire it in the first place.

The allegations against him (and there is evidence to support this) is that he didn’t just coordinate to publish, but provided instructions and technical training to Manning on how to steal them.

I think you've misread my post. I wasn't talking about Assange.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by nicehat »

kome wrote: post #16

uk, usa and aus are basically killing this man, with no fair trial.

Literally torturing him to a slow death, after doing their utmost to smear his reputation, and a decade of separating him from his family.

Then there's the mysterious disappearing of his friends, and presidential candidates laughing about droning him.

It sure would be nice to see the tech community challenge the worst of the disinfo and rally behind truth.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by foldr »

MiroF wrote: post #59
foldr wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has been put on trial, and sentenced to 50 weeks in prison for skipping bail: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/julian-assan... Try to keep up!

Typically in the UK he would have been released by now since he was sentenced for under a year. Unsure why the snark is necessary

He's in custody awaiting his extradition hearing, which is perfectly normal. (Do we need to explain why granting Assange bail would probably be a bad idea?)
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