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Re: Things to Never Say While Negotiating

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Post by mahmud »

Mz wrote: post #59
cema wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Bible is widely read in the US.

Yes, I realize that. Presumably there is some disconnect: I said Christian mythology gets used in Japanese fiction, which causes problems when it comes back here where the bible is widely read. Not because Americans don't read the bible but because they do. If non-Christians in a foreign land, speaking a foreign language borrow on Christian imagery for "fluffy" fictional pieces, and it comes back to a culture where C…

Here is the disambiguation page showing the Bible reference along with Andromeda. Compare them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magog

I think we're just having an academic discussion and citing "prior" sources for the sake of disclosure and intellectual honesty. Hopefully no one is offended by the discovery that their idea of 1st rate sci-fi is rehashed religion, or that their one-true-faith is just pagan lore ;-)

Re: Things to Never Say While Negotiating

#62

Post by Mz »

mahmud wrote: post #61
Mz wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I realize that. Presumably there is some disconnect: I said Christian mythology gets used in Japanese fiction, which causes problems when it comes back here where the bible is widely read. Not because Americans don't read the bible but because they do. If non-Christians in a foreign land, speaking a foreign language borrow on Christian imagery for "fluffy" fictional pieces, and it comes back to a culture where C…

Here is the disambiguation page showing the Bible reference along with Andromeda. Compare them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magog I think we're just having an academic discussion and citing "prior" sources for the sake of disclosure and intellectual honesty. Hopefully no one is offended by the discovery that their idea of 1st rate sci-fi is rehashed religion, or that their one-true-faith is just pagan lore ;-)

I'm not religious. I'm more familiar with Christian imagery/themes/whatever-you-want-to-call-it in part because I grew up in "The Bible Belt". But it doesn't have the same meaning for me as it would for someone who is actually Christian. I just don't understand why the downvote or the above reply to me informing me the bible is widely read in the US. Total mental disconnect for me. Still scratching my head.

Re: Things to Never Say While Negotiating

#63

Post by mahmud »

Mz wrote: post #62
mahmud wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is the disambiguation page showing the Bible reference along with Andromeda. Compare them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magog I think we're just having an academic discussion and citing "prior" sources for the sake of disclosure and intellectual honesty. Hopefully no one is offended by the discovery that their idea of 1st rate sci-fi is rehashed religion, or that their one-true-faith is just pagan lore ;-)

I'm not religious. I'm more familiar with Christian imagery/themes/whatever-you-want-to-call-it in part because I grew up in "The Bible Belt". But it doesn't have the same meaning for me as it would for someone who is actually Christian. I just don't understand why the downvote or the above reply to me informing me the bible is widely read in the US. Total mental disconnect for me. Still scratching my head.

Because it comes off like you're arguing for the unique originality of Andromeda while dismissing any possible "inspirations" for it as unlikely.

It's like arguing that Aslan, the lion from Narnia, is based on Mufasa, the character from Lion King, because they're both lions and both have luxuriously animated manes.

Re: Things to Never Say While Negotiating

#65

Post by [deleted] »

Mz wrote: post #62
mahmud wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is the disambiguation page showing the Bible reference along with Andromeda. Compare them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magog I think we're just having an academic discussion and citing "prior" sources for the sake of disclosure and intellectual honesty. Hopefully no one is offended by the discovery that their idea of 1st rate sci-fi is rehashed religion, or that their one-true-faith is just pagan lore ;-)

I'm not religious. I'm more familiar with Christian imagery/themes/whatever-you-want-to-call-it in part because I grew up in "The Bible Belt". But it doesn't have the same meaning for me as it would for someone who is actually Christian. I just don't understand why the downvote or the above reply to me informing me the bible is widely read in the US. Total mental disconnect for me. Still scratching my head.

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Re: Things to Never Say While Negotiating

#66

Post by Mz »

mahmud wrote: post #63
Mz wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not religious. I'm more familiar with Christian imagery/themes/whatever-you-want-to-call-it in part because I grew up in "The Bible Belt". But it doesn't have the same meaning for me as it would for someone who is actually Christian. I just don't understand why the downvote or the above reply to me informing me the bible is widely read in the US. Total mental disconnect for me. Still scratching my head.

Because it comes off like you're arguing for the unique originality of Andromeda while dismissing any possible "inspirations" for it as unlikely. It's like arguing that Aslan, the lion from Narnia, is based on Mufasa, the character from Lion King, because they're both lions and both have luxuriously animated manes.

I have no idea where you get that interpretation. I don't know how more clearly I can state that I simply do not know where the name in the series came from. And no one has posted a link to information or given anecdotal evidence that "I saw them say in some interview that it came from...." The disambiguation page you linked to lists a name in the Christian bible and the name of a Canadian city (plus a few other things) in addition to a race on the TV series Andromeda and a name from the Quran. So far, you are suggesting that the series was influenced by the Quran and providing no real evidence of a link. All I am asserting is that I have no idea what influenced the writers of the show. That is the only assertion I have made. I remain baffled as to how that can be misinterpreted and remain baffled by the remark about the bible being widely read in the US, as if I didn't know that.

Re: Things to Never Say While Negotiating

#67

Post by kleinsch »

semanticist wrote: post #44
fizx wrote: post #38

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> If someone offers you what you want, why waste time negotiating for more? Because you can use the extra amount to provide additional security for your family, or runway for your next startup?

Possibly, but not necessarily. My target salary wasn't especially low given my skill set and salary levels where I am, and was a substantial increase over my previous salary. There wouldn't've realistically been room to haggle much up, my new employer being aware of current market conditions. The figure I'm talking about is the one you give to recruiters when they ask how much you want - it's my starting/'ideal' figu…

I've done the same thing before, and only recently have regretted it. It's much easier and less uncomfortable to accept what they're offering, especially if it's the amount you were anticipating, but if no negotiating was required, you definitely could have gotten more. Yes, you got what you were looking for, but could you find something to do with $5000/year more? Definitely.

I find most people (at least in the US) are uncomfortable negotiating, since the only times you do it seriously are when getting a job and buying a car. So long as you don't resort to the "Fuck You", negotiating is a professional thing to do and all will be forgotten once you come to an agreement and start the job.

Re: Things to Never Say While Negotiating

#68

Post by ludicast »

Mz wrote: post #26
enjo wrote: post #12

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Bah.. never burn a bridge, simply don't cross it and find another way across.

But what happens when the Magog come pouring across it? (Just wondering.) Edit: I don't know if people don't get the reference or think I am merely being flippant. I'm not. I don't like burning bridges either. But sometimes I find it is the only way to put an end to a problem situation where the more I try to be polite and all that, the more neurotic and demanding and blood-sucking they become. If someone here knows…

Andromeda could have been the best SciFi show of all time and the ruined it.

The Magog, the Nietzscheans, the hot chicks. That show could have had it all.

Re: Things to Never Say While Negotiating

#69

Post by pasbesoin »

tastybites wrote: post #14
joelmichael wrote: post #4

I am guilty of the "Fuck you" one. The offered terms insulted me so much I no longer wanted to do business with the person. Had I taken this article's advice, I would have stayed calm and moved toward some highly unsatisfying "middle ground" purely to "close the deal". We are faced with innumerable opportunities in our lives, and we need to filter out the best ones; for most negotiations, a successful outcome is not…

It takes a bit of experience (and some balls) to know which people to tell off - but! Never underestimate the incredible morale boost a properly crafted "fuck you" can bring to an overworked team in the heat of battle. When followed by a company happy hour, I've seen miraculous things happen. The world is filled with quacks and assholes - as soon as your radar is tuned, you'll be able to filter the people worth keepi…

Sometimes, a situation is in (desperate) need of some honest feedback.

Re: Things to Never Say While Negotiating

#70

Post by [deleted] »

Mz wrote: post #66
mahmud wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it comes off like you're arguing for the unique originality of Andromeda while dismissing any possible "inspirations" for it as unlikely. It's like arguing that Aslan, the lion from Narnia, is based on Mufasa, the character from Lion King, because they're both lions and both have luxuriously animated manes.

I have no idea where you get that interpretation. I don't know how more clearly I can state that I simply do not know where the name in the series came from. And no one has posted a link to information or given anecdotal evidence that "I saw them say in some interview that it came from...." The disambiguation page you linked to lists a name in the Christian bible and the name of a Canadian city (plus a few other thin…

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