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India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by this-ali »

mlnj wrote: post #22
gagorder wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding 1 - the government now wants to repeat Assam NRC exercise all over the country. Why? Why do we need to prove our citizenship now all of a sudden? Regarding 2 - the government handpicked only those countries which have Islam as state religion, and ignored others like Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Nepal, Bhutan and China. The largest refugee population in India are Sri Lankan Hindu Tamils living for more than 30 years…

This is all drama to keep the public distracted from the real issues like a crumbling economy, deteriorating law and order, budget shortfalls in almost all sectors. This has been a recurring play BJP playbook seen throughout the last 6 years.

What are you talking about?

Who cares about Economic growth,

infrastructure,

health care,

education,

Unemployment,

Poverty,

Women safety,

Technological advancement,

Space exploration,

IIT/IIM students getting jobs abroad,

Farmers committing suicide,

Climate change,

Petrol price rising, &

All other useless things...

when we can argue and fight about our religion all day long?

/s

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by yumraj »

pavish wrote: post #59
yumraj wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freedom in their own country, not in someone else's country. This is for illegal immigrants. No country in the world blindly accepts illegal immigrants.

Then why would the ruling party express dismay over hindus who were termed as illegal immigrants. They made the process easier, basically providing immediate citizenship for hindus and other minorities, excluding muslims. This is downright unethical and should be regarded as a crime.

Because India is providing refuge to Hindus and other minorities who are being persecuted in neighboring Islamic nations.

In Pakistan Hindu teenagers are regularly abducted, converted to Islam and married away.

India is giving refuge to these people.

Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by nocoder »

satya71 wrote: post #33

[flagged]

Not sure why you are being downvoted, maybe IT cell is here too. But it is true, Golwalkar took inspiration from Nazi ideology of racial purity.[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by pavish »

For those of you supporting the government's take on this, and their argument that proper documentation is all it takes for being included in the NRC, how do you care to explain that the family of the former president of India 'Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed' was left out of NRC?

CAB is just an anti-muslim filter, and it's downright unethical.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/former-president-fakhr...

Edit:

If CAB was truly meant only to deny illegal immigrants, which is infact a right move from a country trying to support its citizens, why base it on religion?

Arguments that say that other religions are persecuted in the neighbouring states, what about Myanmar? The Rohingya persecution has been going on for years and our government has done nothing notable about it. What about Srilanka and the mass genocide of Tamils? Rohingyas and Srilankan Tamils are mostly Hindus. Why not extend the help to them too? Why focus only upon the Muslim majority nations?

The issue that is concerning is the fact that the act specifically makes it harder for Muslims to become citizens. The question here is whether the government is actually trying to prevent illegal immigration or trying to cut down Muslim population in particular.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by mlnj »

yumraj wrote: post #62
pavish wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why would the ruling party express dismay over hindus who were termed as illegal immigrants. They made the process easier, basically providing immediate citizenship for hindus and other minorities, excluding muslims. This is downright unethical and should be regarded as a crime.

Because India is providing refuge to Hindus and other minorities who are being persecuted in neighboring Islamic nations. In Pakistan Hindu teenagers are regularly abducted, converted to Islam and married away. India is giving refuge to these people. Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations.

If Muslims are not persecuted in similar ways why not open the refugee status to such cases if they may arise? Why bar them on basis of religion?

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by yumraj »

Scipio_Afri wrote: post #3
reactspa wrote: post #2

1. Nobody was stripped of citizenship. They couldn't prove they had it in the first place. 2. You won't learn this from the media's narrative about it, but: the reason why most protestors are protesting the Citizenship Amendment is not because muslim refugees (from Pak., Bangla. and Afghan.) are excluded, but because everyone else (non-muslim refugees [i.e. persecuted religious minorities from these officially "Islam…

This seems like a really misinformed comment. Why would the protests be occurring most strongly in predominately Muslim areas? This is backed up by numerous international media reports, including comments from people who are protesting. "NEW DELHI—Protests against a new citizenship law favoring non-Muslim immigrants erupted in violence in a Muslim-dominated part of the Indian capital where communal tensions have flar…

Because India is providing refuge to Hindus and other minorities who are being persecuted in neighboring Islamic nations.

In Pakistan Hindu teenagers are regularly abducted, converted to Islam and married away.

India is giving refuge to these people.

Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by yumraj »

gagorder wrote: post #20
vageli wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is not the citizen's responsibility to prove he is a citizen, it is the government's responsibility to prove that he isn't. > Guilty until proven innocent? How is that fair? By this rationale, couldn't one claim citizenship to any country? When I arrive at a foreign border I don't say, "Allow me entry, I am a citizen, prove otherwise." I understand that further from the border this encroachment is less justified…

> When I arrive at a foreign border We didn't arrive at the border today, we were born here, and now we are being asked to stand in line to submit documentary proofs of not only ours but of our parents and grandparents.

Not sure if you're referring to your specific case or generalizing.

But if you're talking of your specific case, were your parents and/or grandparents born here or did they come to India after 1947?

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by smnrchrds »

yumraj wrote: post #62
pavish wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why would the ruling party express dismay over hindus who were termed as illegal immigrants. They made the process easier, basically providing immediate citizenship for hindus and other minorities, excluding muslims. This is downright unethical and should be regarded as a crime.

Because India is providing refuge to Hindus and other minorities who are being persecuted in neighboring Islamic nations. In Pakistan Hindu teenagers are regularly abducted, converted to Islam and married away. India is giving refuge to these people. Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations.

Giving persecuted religious groups refuge is a noble act.

What is ignoble is the fact that they have exempted Muslims from refuge, while there is a literal genocide against the Muslim minority (Rohingya) happening in their neighbouring country, Myanmar. A country with which they share more than 1600 km of border.

How could this act be interpreted as anything but a action to further victimize and marginalize the Muslims?

It is quite a sad irony that Myanmar's excuse for the atrocities they do against the Muslims is that they are not citizens, but illegal immigrants in Myanmar. Is this a sign of what is to come to ~200 million Indian Muslims?

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by mlnj »

aerodog wrote: post #50
jagannathtech wrote: post #49

People have absolutely no idea what is actually going on and the outrage fuelled (dishonest) media is capitalising on it. Poor country like India cannot afford to take in hordes of illegal migrants from its neighbours. BJP is just fulfilling its poll promises clearly described in its election manifesto of both 2014 and 2019.

Oh they're just fulfilling their promises. That makes it all ok.

And the sad part is that this is what they had promised. This hate and divide is what the BJP has preached and yet the people voted for them even for a second term. In some ways people are getting what they voted for.
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