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2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by manigandham »

freehunter wrote: post #56
kyrra wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its rather expensive (and time consuming) to produce reports like this. They are doing it to generate leads.

If there is a cost associated with producing content and that cost can’t be recouped by the presentation of that content (speaker fees at conferences, advertisements, sponsorships, etc) then the content should be sold for a fair market rate. That’s basically the entire point of GDPR. Stop making people trade personal information for “free” content.

No that's not the point of GDPR, it's about choice and control over data.

You're free to not share your email if you don't want to read the report. The rest of us can make our own decision.

Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by manigandham »

porker wrote: post #55
dtrailin wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These reports behind an email wall frustrate me to no end. I don't want to receive your spam to read a single article!

My understanding is that gated content is not compliant with GDPR which requires consent to be given freely and unconditionally. Can anyone comment?

That's a misunderstanding. You're not entitled or reliant on this report and are completely free to enter your email or leave the page.

Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by derefr »

unreal37 wrote: post #11

They calculated the costs based on 3 years running at the hourly rate. That's kinda weird. How about including multi-year discounts? These are available to everyone. [1] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-ca/pricing/reserved-vm-instan... [2] https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/reserved-instances/ [3] https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/instances/signing-up-c...

Elastic rates are really what you should be comparing when using cloud IaaS services, though. That's where the price works out in favor of using cloud IaaS hosts in the first place, after all.

If you have a stable set of instances and a known lifetime for them, then, before trying to calculate whether AWS or GCP is cheaper, step back and plug those same numbers into a regular non-cloud DC managed-hardware-leasing pricing page.

Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by sudosysgen »

user5994461 wrote: post #42
account73466 wrote: post #23

I remember that GCP claimed they will follow Moore's Law and drop the price for the same instance type over time. It was just BS marketing, unfortunately I believed them.

AWS also stopped to drop instance price periodically. Sadly Moore law has stopped some time ago affecting everyone.

As we're starting to see, it was mostly Intel not keeping up, actually. Moore's law is mostly holding up till today, and probably for a couple more years before we really have to switch paradigms.

Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

derefr wrote: post #64
unreal37 wrote: post #11

They calculated the costs based on 3 years running at the hourly rate. That's kinda weird. How about including multi-year discounts? These are available to everyone. [1] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-ca/pricing/reserved-vm-instan... [2] https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/reserved-instances/ [3] https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/instances/signing-up-c...

Elastic rates are really what you should be comparing when using cloud IaaS services, though. That's where the price works out in favor of using cloud IaaS hosts in the first place, after all. If you have a stable set of instances and a known lifetime for them, then, before trying to calculate whether AWS or GCP is cheaper, step back and plug those same numbers into a regular non-cloud DC managed-hardware-leasing pri…

What's an elastic rate?

Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by devy »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #66
derefr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elastic rates are really what you should be comparing when using cloud IaaS services, though. That's where the price works out in favor of using cloud IaaS hosts in the first place, after all. If you have a stable set of instances and a known lifetime for them, then, before trying to calculate whether AWS or GCP is cheaper, step back and plug those same numbers into a regular non-cloud DC managed-hardware-leasing pri…

What's an elastic rate?

Pay-as-you-go rate - either by the minutes or by the hour.

Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by dijit »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #66
derefr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elastic rates are really what you should be comparing when using cloud IaaS services, though. That's where the price works out in favor of using cloud IaaS hosts in the first place, after all. If you have a stable set of instances and a known lifetime for them, then, before trying to calculate whether AWS or GCP is cheaper, step back and plug those same numbers into a regular non-cloud DC managed-hardware-leasing pri…

What's an elastic rate?

The price without sustained use or commitment discounts. The raw cost of a compute unit for a random day/hour/minute.

Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by devy »

derefr wrote: post #64
unreal37 wrote: post #11

They calculated the costs based on 3 years running at the hourly rate. That's kinda weird. How about including multi-year discounts? These are available to everyone. [1] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-ca/pricing/reserved-vm-instan... [2] https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/reserved-instances/ [3] https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/instances/signing-up-c...

Elastic rates are really what you should be comparing when using cloud IaaS services, though. That's where the price works out in favor of using cloud IaaS hosts in the first place, after all. If you have a stable set of instances and a known lifetime for them, then, before trying to calculate whether AWS or GCP is cheaper, step back and plug those same numbers into a regular non-cloud DC managed-hardware-leasing pri…

> a regular non-cloud DC managed-hardware-leasing pricing

You have to factor in the total cost of ownership (TCO) to make a fair comparison, which in almost ALL the cases, you are more than likely to overspend on bare metal boxes on your own DC. Some of the TCO components are:

- DC staff salaries

- Electricity

- Networking bandwidth

- SLA guarantee (yes this a hidden cost, e.g. if your DC power is out, you owe your customers fees depending on your SLA).

- etc.

Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by daxfohl »

jiggawatts wrote: post #59
daxfohl wrote: post #39

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No, I contacted them directly after seeing this report and confirmed they did not even use accelerated networking (which is a free, but opt-in service on Azure), much less things like placement proximity groups (which only recently went public). So machines were communicating across availability zones (separated physically by miles and logically by additional networking layers) and a bunch of networking was happening…

(I'm sending this feedback here because Azure feedback via official channels is printed out and then fed directly into a shredder.) Can you answer why -- for the love of God -- why Azure IPv6 networking is doled out in microscopically small /124 blocks (16 addresses)!? The standard is a /64 at a minimum for residential connections, and /48 is recommended for most premises, particularly business connections. Azure cou…

Sorry, I'm pretty far removed from low-level networking, on CDN team and fairly new at that. I'd have no idea who to ask.
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