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British woman revived after six-hour cardiac arrest

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Re: British woman revived after six-hour cardiac arrest

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Does this suggest that humans can be put into 'hibernation' to extend their lifespan? (Edit: I mean would be possible in future if we had a better understanding of the process?) If I was rich enough I'd host a competition to extend the life of rats: Each year, whoever could demonstrate a technique to reliably extend the lifespan of a rat by at least 10% over the previous year's record would win a million dollars. I e…

> demonstrate a technique to reliably extend the lifespan of a rat by at least 10%

you'd get more from calorie restriction.

Re: British woman revived after six-hour cardiac arrest

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Correct. Hypothermia and drowning (particulartly in cold water) the patient is not pronounced dead until the body has been warmed, this can be 12+ hours after the event. Children do better. The mammalian diving reflex prepares the body for long periods of immersion. Not to be relied upon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_reflex

It is a true reflex I practice breath holds due to the fact that I spearfish, when I started I could hold my breath for about a minute out of water and less than 2 in water. Funny part is usually you second or third hold is the longest as your body due to the reflex tends to adapt to the higher CO2 levels in it, on the second and third breath hold. I can now hold my breath in water for over 5 minutes due to CO2 desen…

How cold is the water? It has to be cold, right?

Re: British woman revived after six-hour cardiac arrest

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Some notes:

- The headline is clickbait/false really. The six-hour cardiac arrest is pretty much made up/guessed. In fact, they don't know how long she was in cardiac arrest. The article actually goes on to state "how long her heart stopped for is not clear", so it's a bit odd to say she had a six-hour cardiac arrest.

- The six hours timeframe actually refers to the fact that a defibrillator was used 6 hours after the emergency services were called.

- It mentions that doctors are stating it's the longest cardiac arrest ever recorded in Spain. This is a very odd thing for a professional doctor to do, when they have no evidence to back that up. As a doctor, you can't just guess she was in cardiac arrest for 6 hours and record it down as being what happend. That's misleading information.

Re: British woman revived after six-hour cardiac arrest

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I don't know about ideal, but it saved my 6 day old son so yeah, "amazing" is totally warranted. Years later I sometimes take a look at some of the pictures we took (cameras would be forbidden in ICU soon after) and stare in awe.

This sounds like a great story - would you be willing to share it?

As a long time game developer, I have the desire to tell it in my medium. The story is still ongoing 5 years later, but unfortunately so is the struggle, so it is very rare to find the combination of spare time, energy, and confidence to go past drafts and ideas.

Re: British woman revived after six-hour cardiac arrest

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post #50

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It is a true reflex I practice breath holds due to the fact that I spearfish, when I started I could hold my breath for about a minute out of water and less than 2 in water. Funny part is usually you second or third hold is the longest as your body due to the reflex tends to adapt to the higher CO2 levels in it, on the second and third breath hold. I can now hold my breath in water for over 5 minutes due to CO2 desen…

How cold is the water? It has to be cold, right?

No the reflex does not depend on temperature. The immersion in water is what initiates the reflex. Though it is true that cooler water prolongs the reflex. I spearfish in the Caribbean so average water temps are 70s-80s.

It is the struggling and adrenaline that causes rapid loss of consciousnesses in water, as it rapidly depletes oxygen and works against the reflex. If one calms themselves and uses deliberate movement 5 minutes is achievable in 2-3 months of training in tropical waters, by an individual in average health.

When we spearfish we don't race to the bottom or rocket to the top, we use a lazy peddling motion to slowly decent and ascend. It helps in preservation of oxygen, once on bottom we usually hover in one spot, and try to remain still while almost meditating. We only move while actively hunting a particular fish once spotted. While the reflex is active your mind can work with the reflex to help it shut systems down and focus blood to the brain which is what it is doing. Each movement reactivates a system, eating before a dive activates a system, not using the restroom before a dive can leave a system active (though the reflex generally tries to shut that down by increasing the urge as soon as you enter the water, hence the have to pee when you get in the pool reflex).

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It's not that hard... you just throw some ice packs in the groin and armpits. You won't get them fully into the TTM range in a 20 minute transport, but you can start the process.

Sticking ice in proximity to major arteries is going to be a lot less effective without a beating heart to circulate all that newly cold blood.

the cold won't distribute at all ?

Re: British woman revived after six-hour cardiac arrest

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Related: https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/child-survive... There are a few such known examples, also some that looked good for a while but ended with a tragedy as much as a day later. I can see some parallels with the drowning case due to the hypothermia, the onset of which must have been relatively fast.

Also this cat:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-08/cat-thawed-out-after-...

Re: British woman revived after six-hour cardiac arrest

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I don't know about ideal, but it saved my 6 day old son so yeah, "amazing" is totally warranted. Years later I sometimes take a look at some of the pictures we took (cameras would be forbidden in ICU soon after) and stare in awe.

That's incredible! Are the pictures online anywhere?

No, we never shared them.
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