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Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by nl »

bsder wrote: post #35
rabidrat wrote: post #20

What I really want, is not another search engine for contextless queries. Except for really basic queries (which Google/etc already do a good job at), I'm trying to answer a question, perhaps open-ended, and it will take multiple queries to resolve. And it's not a linear process of narrowing down with + or - keywords. It's establishing a context: I'm searching for something relevant to "go" the language, not "go" the…

> I want to be able to open a jupyter-like notebook with the start of my search query, and the first step should be to show me the available eigencontexts AltaVista used to do this. I miss it terribly.

I think you are mis-remembering this. I used Altavista heavily until Google came out and made search work, and I don't remember any feature anything like this.

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by superkuh »

There was another one of these posts a week or so ago. In that one I was one of many that complained the search engine was unusable without javascript enabled.

Now you can search without javascript enabled. Thanks, cliqz devs.

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by __ka »

superkuh wrote: post #62

There was another one of these posts a week or so ago. In that one I was one of many that complained the search engine was unusable without javascript enabled. Now you can search without javascript enabled. Thanks, cliqz devs.

It's still not perfect, but should be usable. Many thanks for the feedback :))

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by thorwasdfasdf »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #7

I would like to read this but I can't reach the web server. Is it just me? Had the same issue with another article from this same site a couple of days ago. Looks like everyone else is able to read it but for some reason not me. Anyone know what's going on?

it worked for me.

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by toast0 »

mgreg wrote: post #6

They talk about using query logs to optimize their search results: >Queries performed by people, if associated to a web page, serve as even cleaner summaries than anchor text. This is because all the logic put in place by the search engine, who resolved the query with a list of web pages, and all human understanding and experience that led one to select the best page from the offered result list end up embedded in th…

Going strictly by volume of clicks (or volume of clicks for a keyword) is not going to be fair or particularly useful, you need to compare clicks received to clicks expected.

If it's shown in position one, it should be expected to get more clicks than position ten. If something gets more than expected, move it up.

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by yellowapple »

autoexec wrote: post #41
nostromo wrote: post #33

The nationalism on the homepage is a little odd... in particular since they're still essentially building on top of Google. https://cliqz.com/en/ > Europe has failed to build its own digital infrastructure. US companies such as Google have thus been able to secure supremacy. They ruthlessly exploit our data. They skim off all profits. They impose their rules on us. In order not to become completely dependent and end…

There's been a lot of discussion about how US-centric the internet is in general even discounting how many massively popular internet companies are US based. I don't think it's unreasonable for Europeans or other nations to try to be less dependent on the US and US based services. As an American, I think it's the smartest thing they can do and I welcome it.

I also welcome it, as an American. Hopefully it means more competition and therefore more motivation for US-based products to improve rather than stagnate.

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by marcell »

Do you (founders/employees) have any example queries that don’t work well with Google, and correspondingly what pages you think should be top ranked for those queries?

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by yellowapple »

autoexec wrote: post #46
BlackLotus89 wrote: post #40

Cliqz nearly made me stop using firefox a while back https://www.heise.de/-3852129 (german article) Tldr 1% of german firefox installations automatically uploaded search queries to cliquz. I wont trust a search engine like this with any of my data.

Would you trust google who does the same thing with chrome? Bing which does the same thing with IE (or whatever it's called now)? Blame firefox for selling out their users not the search engine. I didn't close my account with amazon when Ubuntu started sending searches to them, I just switched distros.

> Would you trust google who does the same thing with chrome?

No, which is why I use neither Google nor Chrome.

> Bing which does the same thing with IE (or whatever it's called now)?

No, which is why I use neither Bing (besides indirect use via DuckDuckGo including it as a data source) nor IE/Edge.

> I didn't close my account with amazon when Ubuntu started sending searches to them,

Amazon didn't and doesn't (last I checked) have a financial stake in Canonical, nor did/does Canonical have one in Amazon. No need to blame Amazon here; that was just Canonical being stupid.

However, per Wikipedia, the same disconnection can't be asserted between Mozilla and Cliqz:

> In August 2016, Mozilla, developer of Firefox, made a minority investment in Cliqz. Cliqz plans to eventually monetize the software through a program known as Cliqz Offers, which will deliver sponsored offers to users based on their interests and browsing history.

> [...]

> On 6 October 2017, Mozilla announced a test where approximately 1% of users downloading Firefox in Germany would receive a version with Cliqz software included. The feature provided recommendations directly in the browser's search field, including for news, weather, sports, and other websites, based on the user's browsing history and activities.

That is: Mozilla invests in a company whose stated business model is literally to scrape my browsing history and shove ads into my browser, and then a year or so later starts A/B testing this as something baked into Firefox for German users. That's scummy, no matter which way you look at it, and no matter how many times Cliqz assures users that "we pinky swear we're not collecting any personally-identifiable data".

I'm taking Cliqz' "we care about your privacy" claims with a hydrostatically-equilibrious and possibly-neighborhood-clearing grain of salt.

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by bsder »

nl wrote: post #61
bsder wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I want to be able to open a jupyter-like notebook with the start of my search query, and the first step should be to show me the available eigencontexts AltaVista used to do this. I miss it terribly.

I think you are mis-remembering this. I used Altavista heavily until Google came out and made search work, and I don't remember any feature anything like this.

AltaVista used to have a Java Applet that would draw the clusters. So "python" would get you a cluster that was "reptiles" and one that was "programming". You could then click on that cluster and it would "zoom in" on the cluster and then redraw the probability clusters again.

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by pheug »

mc987 wrote: post #11
mgreg wrote: post #6

They talk about using query logs to optimize their search results: >Queries performed by people, if associated to a web page, serve as even cleaner summaries than anchor text. This is because all the logic put in place by the search engine, who resolved the query with a list of web pages, and all human understanding and experience that led one to select the best page from the offered result list end up embedded in th…

Surfacing new content in search engines is a very challenging problem. I am guessing they use a combination of social signals (twitter, facebook) popularity and domain popularity amongst other signals.

Google pretty much knows (or can accurately estimate) exactly when a new document appears on the web and how many people are visiting it, they don't even need to rely on second hand social signals for this. They control the web's dominant crawler (Googlebot), browser (Chrome, which sends everything you type in the address bar to them by default), ads (Adsense) and tracking (Google Analytics) platforms.
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