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Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

#61

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E-mail doesn't have end-to-end encryption either. PGP doesn't count.

TLS isn't end-to-end encryption?

Not in email. End-to-end here means that noone except sender and reciever can read the content. With tls and email you send it to a server which can read it, not to the enduser.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

#62
post #35

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> I'd be happy to MMS my uncle if it didn't cost like two euros per 640x480 picture Wow, where are you living? I haven't paid to send an MMS in nearly ten years...

I've seen cheap contracts where SMS is unlimited, but never anything with unlimited MMS (Netherlands). I actually just checked what I currently pay for an MMS and youfone.nl doesn't even mention it in the price list. Since I have to ask, I guess I can't afford it :-)

my understanding is that mms is part of data, that's how it works here in the US. RCS will also use data whenever it gets implemented.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

#63

When did carriers ever get anything tech based right? In fact to expect them is wrong as their business model is very different to a tech company. They are beneficiaries of law-bound limited duopolies or oligopolies. In most countries the only audience they care for are the regulators, and not consumers or their security and safety. Regulatory capture is a wonderful thing for these companies and not for consumers.

This hits home for me right now. I'm currently in the midst of fighting Frontier (bonded DSL 12/1) and frequent disconnects every 2-3 min. They're the only terrestrial ISP available at my home and the DSLAM has been oversold for two years per a tech lead. They have 0 incentive to upgrade the infrastructure here. The area I live in isn't even very rural, and it's one of the fastest growing towns in the Seattle area. New neighborhoods in the town are getting fiber but they're not upgrading any outdated infrastructure. Why would they?

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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And of course, RCS is not even end-to-end-encrypted so there is no reason whatsoever to use it over SMS or any other messaging platform. I hope we'll see a good and federated instant-messaging platform that respects privacy and is easy to adopt.

I'm wondering why you think that would happen. Like, really, why do you expect that?

The goverment in Germany is fighting tooth and nail to keep Telegram and Signal from having actual end-to-end-encryption, trying to ensure that the government has some kind of side channel that makes it possible for them to decrypt everything in case of federal investigations.

So I'd love that but what is your reason to believe in actual federal instant messaging of any kind?

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

#65
post #45

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Statistically most likely from a ≈25-100mb US connection while developed countries the world over have had gigabit for a decade... Our internet is quite a bit behind because telcos in this country don't have to meaningfully compete. Plenty of legislation has cemented their market dominance through artificial (and unnecessary) barriers to entry with practically no accountability for shoddy service and infrastructure.…

I’m paying the equivalent of $40 p/m for 600mbit download and 100mbit upload in Europe. I don’t think it’s even the best deal I could be getting.

I'm so jealous. I pay $55/mo for 12 down and 1 up. It's the best deal I can get.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

#66
It's so unfortunate that Google couldn't stay focused and make Hangouts competitive with iMessage. I would guess that the issue stems from Hangouts' legacy code base that harkens back to Google Talk. However, it appears their 3rd(?) attempt to replace it with RCS/Messages is failing once again.

Google engineers if you're listening - FIX AND IMPROVE HANGOUTS AND STOP WASTING YOUR EFFORTS ON NEW MESSAGING PROJECTS

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

#67

It's so unfortunate that Google couldn't stay focused and make Hangouts competitive with iMessage. I would guess that the issue stems from Hangouts' legacy code base that harkens back to Google Talk. However, it appears their 3rd(?) attempt to replace it with RCS/Messages is failing once again. Google engineers if you're listening - FIX AND IMPROVE HANGOUTS AND STOP WASTING YOUR EFFORTS ON NEW MESSAGING PROJECTS

You can’t get promoted at Google by maintaining an existing product. Only building a new one. (I’ve heard that over and over from friends that work/worked at google).

Yes, this is antidotal...

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

#68

When did carriers ever get anything tech based right? In fact to expect them is wrong as their business model is very different to a tech company. They are beneficiaries of law-bound limited duopolies or oligopolies. In most countries the only audience they care for are the regulators, and not consumers or their security and safety. Regulatory capture is a wonderful thing for these companies and not for consumers.

... he said, while his comment posted correctly, in the moment he wanted, because the tech behind the posting ability was Right.

https://i.imgur.com/4KZe4UO.png

Your comment is the worst kind of comment.

EDIT: Yea, the comment which basically boils down to "eh, by commenting on this post you showed that telecom companies provide you with the minimal amount of service they promise so you can't complain about the state of the industry". Because that's totally an argument that's worth debating.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... he said, while his comment posted correctly, in the moment he wanted, because the tech behind the posting ability was Right.

Statistically most likely from a ≈25-100mb US connection while developed countries the world over have had gigabit for a decade... Our internet is quite a bit behind because telcos in this country don't have to meaningfully compete. Plenty of legislation has cemented their market dominance through artificial (and unnecessary) barriers to entry with practically no accountability for shoddy service and infrastructure.…

I am currently not using it, but it appears my local cable company offers a purported "940+ Mbps" for $110/month.

But I couldn't care less - what I want is something as cheap as possible, irrespective of speed.

They seem to have an option right now for 30 Mbps for $15, but I'm assuming there's some catch. I did think the low cost option was only available for people on public assistance or something.

I used to have a cable connection, and it seemed slightly faster than cellular, but it didn't really make a difference to me, and since I can't do without the cellular, it made more sense to get unlimited data for that, than paying more for limited data and cable service.

More bandwidth only encourages websites to add more advertising, anyway.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

#70
post #67

It's so unfortunate that Google couldn't stay focused and make Hangouts competitive with iMessage. I would guess that the issue stems from Hangouts' legacy code base that harkens back to Google Talk. However, it appears their 3rd(?) attempt to replace it with RCS/Messages is failing once again. Google engineers if you're listening - FIX AND IMPROVE HANGOUTS AND STOP WASTING YOUR EFFORTS ON NEW MESSAGING PROJECTS

You can’t get promoted at Google by maintaining an existing product. Only building a new one. (I’ve heard that over and over from friends that work/worked at google). Yes, this is antidotal...

I have seen plenty of people that work on existing products like Chrome, Gmail, etc. get promoted. I also have witnessed people successfully going from L4->L5 as SWEs without launches. I had to see to believe it, and I have seen it. That said, Google is a GIANT company, and other people might have different experiences.

Disclosure: I work at Google.

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