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Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

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Post by ac29 »

jlarocco wrote: post #51
__ka wrote: post #36

I have mixed feelings about this. If you recommend DuckDuckGo, Qwant, Ecosia you're essentially recommending Bing. Each of them have to show bing ads, forward the users' IPs as per Bing's terms of service (to fight ad fraud etc). Similarly, if you recommend StartPage, you're recommending Google. Same drill with ads. I like DuckDuckGo. But unless they build their own search - I think the fundamental problem has not be…

Do you have a reference about DDG using Bing? It's not mentioned on their site, or their wikipedia entry, or anywhere else I could find, and the results were different when I tried a few searches in them both just now. Are they "Using Bing" in the same sense they "Use Wikipedia" to put info boxes on the results page sometimes?

"We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from a variety of partners, including Verizon Media (formerly Yahoo) and Bing"

https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources/

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

#62

Post by mikeleeorg »

liambates wrote: post #44
__ka wrote: post #36

I have mixed feelings about this. If you recommend DuckDuckGo, Qwant, Ecosia you're essentially recommending Bing. Each of them have to show bing ads, forward the users' IPs as per Bing's terms of service (to fight ad fraud etc). Similarly, if you recommend StartPage, you're recommending Google. Same drill with ads. I like DuckDuckGo. But unless they build their own search - I think the fundamental problem has not be…

Aren't DuckDuckGo searches a mixture of Bing, Yahoo, Yandex and their own crawler? I don't know a great deal about their infrastructure and would love to learn more about it.

This article is from 2017, but has some more technical detail behind DDG than other articles do:

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/duckduckgo-anonymous-privacy

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

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Post by mda »

thephyber wrote: post #57
jlarocco wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a reference about DDG using Bing? It's not mentioned on their site, or their wikipedia entry, or anywhere else I could find, and the results were different when I tried a few searches in them both just now. Are they "Using Bing" in the same sense they "Use Wikipedia" to put info boxes on the results page sometimes?

DDG does use Bing for _some_ of their search results, but it's far from just a reskin.

_most_ of their search results. They don't give a breakdown.

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

#64

Post by arminiusreturns »

pwython wrote: post #17
gootik wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I ask why hate @jack ?

Sacha Baron Cohen recently called out jack and the other "silicon six." https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/21/sacha-baron-cohen-rips-on-fa...

The part you left out was he was calling for censorship... a slippery slope that assists totalitarians in this inverted totalitarian oligarchy. Do not agree at all. Also he claims those places are publishers and not platforms, but there is plenty of debate on that front to be had.

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

#66

Post by dasil003 »

LegitShady wrote: post #38
pwython wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sacha Baron Cohen recently called out jack and the other "silicon six." https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/21/sacha-baron-cohen-rips-on-fa...

Sasha Baron Cohen would not have been successful in the environment he now demands. He's a comedian not an expert in anything. Who cares what this guy has to say about Facebook? Why does his opinion matters more than mine or yours? I bet he knows even less.

We here on HN know a lot about how Facebook was built, that doesn't tell you shit about its societal effects. Comedians on the other hand, and Sasha Baron Cohen in particular, know a lot about societal effects. Sometimes the jester was the only one clever enough to get away with speaking the truth in the king's presence.

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

#67

Post by darzu »

DuckDuckGo is still not ready to be my daily driver.

Here's my last significant Google search: "monaco IndentAction.Indent"

The documentation I was looking for[0] was the:

- 1st hit on Google[1]

- 17th hit on DDG[2]

but to be fair I didn't find it within the first 10 (!) pages of Bing[3], so at least it's better than Bing. And I work for MSFT. I submitted feedback to DDG & Bing, hopefully it helps.

[0] https://microsoft.github.io/monaco-editor/api/enums/monaco.l...

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=monaco+IndentAction.Indent&o...

[2] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=monaco+IndentAction.Indent&t=h_&ia...

[3] https://www.bing.com/search?q=%2bmonaco+IndentAction.Indent&...

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

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Post by suyash »

darzu wrote: post #67

DuckDuckGo is still not ready to be my daily driver. Here's my last significant Google search: "monaco IndentAction.Indent" The documentation I was looking for[0] was the: - 1st hit on Google[1] - 17th hit on DDG[2] but to be fair I didn't find it within the first 10 (!) pages of Bing[3], so at least it's better than Bing. And I work for MSFT. I submitted feedback to DDG & Bing, hopefully it helps. [0] https://micros…

Their search still sucks, not using until it is at least on par with Google.

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

#69

Post by thephyber »

pwython wrote: post #17
gootik wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I ask why hate @jack ?

Sacha Baron Cohen recently called out jack and the other "silicon six." https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/21/sacha-baron-cohen-rips-on-fa...

I think SBC's diagnosis is right, but his prescription is wrong. I applaud SBC for calling out the problem (and I agree it is a problem) and for raising awareness, but I think we need to keep shopping for a better solution.

He's effectively making the same arguments that FOSTA-SESTA made (which led to the closing of personals sections of Craigslist among other liability-transferring impacts), but for all of social media. His call was for all internet companies to pre-vet every single user-generated-content before anyone else sees it or be held liable for user-submitted content. It likely does solve the problem, but it swings the pendulum _very_ _far_ in the other direction towards corporate censorship and over-censorship to prevent any possibility of liability.

This is late-stage capitalism in action. Companies in the {social media, advertising, sales} space all have utility functions centered around attacking the weaknesses of the human mind. It just so happens that governments and political parties are in the same industry using the same tactics.

I just don't see SBC's prescription working in a country with a constitutionally mandated Freedom of Speech (where the jurisprudence only disallows speech if it is a direct and specific call to action of violence). And it it does, Newspeak will be the only language supported on the platform.

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

#70

Post by godelski »

ac29 wrote: post #61
jlarocco wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a reference about DDG using Bing? It's not mentioned on their site, or their wikipedia entry, or anywhere else I could find, and the results were different when I tried a few searches in them both just now. Are they "Using Bing" in the same sense they "Use Wikipedia" to put info boxes on the results page sometimes?

"We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from a variety of partners, including Verizon Media (formerly Yahoo) and Bing" https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources/

That doesn't suggest anything that the OP is saying. Google does similar things. We wouldn't say that searching DDG is like searching Stack Overflow. Or it is like searching Yelp.
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