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Astrophotography with Night Sight on Pixel Phones

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Re: Astrophotography with Night Sight on Pixel Phones

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All easy software implementations. This is not a hardware story.

If they're so easy, why haven't Apple implemented them?

Just because it’s easy doesn’t mean users are clamoring for it. I can think of hundreds of things that are easy that apple hasn’t done

Re: Astrophotography with Night Sight on Pixel Phones

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I think what "has not been retouched or post-processed in any way" is supposed to convey is that no work is needed by the user of the camera app to get pictures of this quality. There's lots of in-camera processing of course. That's always been the case for digital cameras: sensors don't produce jpeg files.

That doesn't mean there wasn't heavy post-processing on the image. It simply means the user didn't have to do it.

Exactly. And heavy post-processing is necessary for even very simple things because a camera's sensors don't match the output picture all that well. See for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_filter#Demosaicing. The postprocessing has moved up the semantic stack and now cameras do things like face detection and smoothing, but there's always been some amount of postprocessing in digital photography.

Re: Astrophotography with Night Sight on Pixel Phones

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I'd prefer to see Google focus on just making the Pixel line better everyday phones than working on exotic stuff like this or the motion sensor they added in the Pixel 4. Right now there's not much reason to choose a Pixel unless stock Android is your top priority.

Having Chrome on my phone or choice of any alternative web browser is big enough of a reason for me to pick Android. Besides, my experience with Android in the last couple of years has been more solid and consistent than iOS, even if the UI and animations are less polished.

Re: Astrophotography with Night Sight on Pixel Phones

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I think what "has not been retouched or post-processed in any way" is supposed to convey is that no work is needed by the user of the camera app to get pictures of this quality. There's lots of in-camera processing of course. That's always been the case for digital cameras: sensors don't produce jpeg files.

That doesn't mean there wasn't heavy post-processing on the image. It simply means the user didn't have to do it.

It's not post-processing, it's just processing :P

Re: Astrophotography with Night Sight on Pixel Phones

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post #40

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I think what "has not been retouched or post-processed in any way" is supposed to convey is that no work is needed by the user of the camera app to get pictures of this quality. There's lots of in-camera processing of course. That's always been the case for digital cameras: sensors don't produce jpeg files.

That doesn't mean there wasn't heavy post-processing on the image. It simply means the user didn't have to do it.

What people are trying to say is that if this is your definition of post processing then there doesn't exist any digital camera system that produces photos without post processing. Indeed such a camera cannot exist.

Re: Astrophotography with Night Sight on Pixel Phones

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What are the possibilities that this AI camera app is not faking the image. Here is why I ask - It has gyro - so knows whether we are pointing at sky or not. - AI checks whether its a clear sky - if yes - post fake image. If no - Dont risk getting caught. - Time + geo spacing - Gives the angle, position of camera relative to the space above us.

There is no chance this is being faked. I've been playing with the astrophotography mode on a Pixel 4 XL in a remote country location with no cell phone connectivity. A single 4 minute exposure is able to record stars down to about magnitude 9.5. A single exposure can detect the Crab Nebula, or the two brightest satellite galaxies of the Andromeda Galaxy (M 32 and NGC 205). To fake such results without internet conne…

You do realize that with 2 floats to store the position of a star on a sphere, that's like 8 MB per million of star? With compression you can almost certainly get away with something like 2 bytes per stars.

And an other solution is to simply store a bitmap of the sphere around earth.

Re: Astrophotography with Night Sight on Pixel Phones

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I didn't quite like the article. At the begining it shows a good picture of the Milky Way and it says: > The image has not been retouched or post-processed in any way. Then the whole article describes how they've automated a full astroprocessing pipeline inside the phone, that makes heavy postprocessing...

I think what "has not been retouched or post-processed in any way" is supposed to convey is that no work is needed by the user of the camera app to get pictures of this quality. There's lots of in-camera processing of course. That's always been the case for digital cameras: sensors don't produce jpeg files.

The problem is that the definition used to match the capabilities. The capabilities changed. Should the definition? If I say I haven't retouched or post-processed a picture of myself, you used to be able to assume it hasn't been airbrushed or edited to make me look fitter. In fact, that used to be how you'd say it. Linguistically, it's extra weird when you're announcing a new auto-retouching and auto-post-processing feature.

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This is amazing. Now just FYI, for those curious, some recent "old guard" innovations by pro camera makers for astrophotography include: 1. Leveraging the multi-axis image-stabilizing movement available to an in-camera DSLR sensor with GPS for the purpose of tracking the sky during a long-ish exposure to reduce star trails. Ricoh-Pentax Astrotracer. http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/photo-life/astro/ 2. Removing…

If you're delaying a DSLR/mirrorless because the camera already in your pocket is good, I would suggest also looking into the highest end point-and-shoots. They're getting crazy useful, they shoot in RAW, they have most of the bells and whistles you'd want outside of physical stuff like changeable lens options. Mine is Good Enough™ for everything hobbyist and I'm super happy with it. And it fits in my pocket.

Re: Astrophotography with Night Sight on Pixel Phones

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Yep it’s just the settings, hardware is basically the same and can achieve the same result. This is a marketing blog post.

If you ignore all the research and development into creating the software then sure every camera is the same.

Both the Pixel and iPhone have AMAZING camera hardware and software that is better than any others in their domain. It’s just that the two are roughly equal except for the exposure time used.

Re: Astrophotography with Night Sight on Pixel Phones

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There is no chance this is being faked. I've been playing with the astrophotography mode on a Pixel 4 XL in a remote country location with no cell phone connectivity. A single 4 minute exposure is able to record stars down to about magnitude 9.5. A single exposure can detect the Crab Nebula, or the two brightest satellite galaxies of the Andromeda Galaxy (M 32 and NGC 205). To fake such results without internet conne…

You do realize that with 2 floats to store the position of a star on a sphere, that's like 8 MB per million of star? With compression you can almost certainly get away with something like 2 bytes per stars. And an other solution is to simply store a bitmap of the sphere around earth.

It also shows the positions of the planets correctly, so it would need to have an ephemeris, or planetary orbital elements. Meteors and satellites show trails across the star field. At some point simulating all of this would be more complicated than really doing it.
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