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This site seems rather non-political, not sure why it needs to be framed as such
Recreation.gov
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone with lots of anti-anti-botting knowledge - both are ineffective. Even if it's a "global rate limit" I'll find out the value (never ran into someone randomizing it) and jump on the web request faster than anyone else RIGHT as it comes up. With CAPTCHAs I'll bypass with a solving service and/or computer vision if it's easy, or even just get past the noCAPTCHA solutions with primed browser instances from cred…
So what does help against bots?
Lottery like yosemite camp 4 has. I really enjoyed my experience with that. You could make some lotteries months or weeks ahead to match different needs.
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#63Not reCAPTCHA, please. It’s horrendous in any environment that blocks any real amount of tracking. Rate limiting would solve the bot issue without inconveniencing regular users.
The reason I hate recaptcha: it's not just a rate-limit for one site, but for the entire web. Run a google dork? You'll have to find three more fire hydrants the next time you're signing up for a service. Install an ad blocker? Six more fire hydrants. Log out of google? Twelve more. Heaven forbid if I _actually_ scrape something. Hitting one site harder than an average user shouldn't force me to fill out captchas on…
I was having fun with recaptha the other day on Dan Harmon's (of rick and morty fame) site called Channel 101.
His sign up page was all sarcastic and the recaptcha test asked
{ Image of distorted random letters and numbers } "Are you human?" [text box] Prove it...
And I kept trying answers like.
"Okay blood's drawn, where do i send the sample?"
"uhhh so I'm blind..." (no voice alt test)
"a robot testing a human for humanity? (this is going to go nowhere good quick...)
"Morty, its your grandpa Rick! Let me in Morty. belch"
"I identify as a pro exclusionary Cylon. My prefered pronouns are su, pid 1, root, or if you prefer just refer to me as Zuck" (okay i didn't get to enter that last one in. too long)
"Isn't putting random numbers and letters the kind of answer a ROBOT would make. It's only an answer written in THEIR language! o.O
Unfortunately Mr. Harmon's test had a fatal bug or something because I never could get past the sign up page. :'(
Or maybe I'm not human or i'm just missing something? idk.
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#64Lol at the copyright notice at the bottom. I notice the app is made by Booz Allen Hamilton. It's a shame we have to farm this stuff out to contractors and not use the USDS or 18F.
How can a federal government site be copyrighted? And, copyrighted by a domain name nonetheless.
I worked on a project once with the national park service. Their Office of General Council or whatever its called didn't want to agree to make their metadata on https://npgallery.nps.gov available to use with a CC0 license for use in https://dp.la/ . Sure, the images might not have been taken by federal employees, but why try to assert copyright ownership in the metadata? Eventually they agreed for one collection, but they have lots of cool content on there from California parks we would like to put on https://calisphere.org .
The stuff they have up at Clemson has CC0 metadata, and the rights info for the content is pretty clearly marked https://openparksnetwork.org/about/opn-rights/
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#65Recreation.gov has been around for years and it doesn't seem to have been updated substantially recently. It's a great resource and I hope people use it to visit US wildlife areas, but I am curious why it has been submitted.
I found it recently and thought it's a great resource for booking govt. recreational properties in US. I wish something like this exist for our country.
I work in the tourism industry and I try to stay up to date with other countries practices. What is your country ?
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fetish we have with trying to private sector everything is a financial disaster. We can pay people to build it directly, it's ok. There doesn't need to be an unaccountable greased palm making $100 million in the background through some "public-private partnership". If the contractor makes a profit we pay more. If instead the government makes a profit, we pay less (see public banking for an example). Kinda funny h…
The government makes a profit? How does that work?
Lots of government operations around the world make a profit. Usually the money is reinvested to improve operations, but it can also be sent back for general spending depending on the structure of the organisation. Now, it's been a very long time since I lived in Canada, but the Liquor Control Board of Ontario (LCBO) used to make a tidy profit. It also used to be the largest single purchaser of wine in the world and as such was able to get incredibly rare wine. Back in the day, if you wanted to tour a winery someday, you could often set it up with the LCBO and the winery would absolutely roll out the red carpet for you. Not sure if that hack still exists, but it was pretty sweet 10-20 years ago. Although unpopular with a lot of people due to all the politics that a government monopoly on alcohol gave, the LCBO was profitable and provided surprisingly good value (as long as you happened to live near a store where influential people lived :-P ). Like I said, it's been ages since I lived there, so I'm not sure what the current status is, but it lasted a long time due to its ability to deliver service and provide revenue for the government.
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#68They REALLY need recaptcha on park reservations, or some sort of other automation. I'm 90% sure that botting is the only realistic way to get campsites in some high demand areas (such as lower and upper pines of Yosemite). I'm convinced the only reason there's not MORE scripts around to do it is because their API/web framework is impossibly ugly and not intuitive.
Seriously. I hate that visiting a national park now involves the same sort of online shenanigans as getting a popular concert ticket. That's not the vibe that should be associated with our parks system.
Anyone botting the site should feel ashamed.
Re: Recreation.gov
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fetish we have with trying to private sector everything is a financial disaster. We can pay people to build it directly, it's ok. There doesn't need to be an unaccountable greased palm making $100 million in the background through some "public-private partnership". If the contractor makes a profit we pay more. If instead the government makes a profit, we pay less (see public banking for an example). Kinda funny h…
The government makes a profit? How does that work?
Antrix Corp owned by the Indian government provides satellite launch services. It made $31m profit on $210m revenue in 2017-2018.[1]
Re: Recreation.gov
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone with lots of anti-anti-botting knowledge - both are ineffective. Even if it's a "global rate limit" I'll find out the value (never ran into someone randomizing it) and jump on the web request faster than anyone else RIGHT as it comes up. With CAPTCHAs I'll bypass with a solving service and/or computer vision if it's easy, or even just get past the noCAPTCHA solutions with primed browser instances from cred…
> But don't kid yourself - that would not solve botting at all. Surely capatcha's and rate limiting raises the bar for people botting. It couldn't make it any worse right?
If it doesn’t make it any better, then captcha makes it works for real humans