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Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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> there is no way to prevent the recording of data for some future brute-force attack Ideally, your encryption would be resistant to a brute-force attack…

What does "resistant" mean?

I'm guessing OpenSSL, which has never had a security breach...

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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The assumption being everyone agrees what "privacy" should look like and will be happy with legislation around that. The majority of people don't seem to care about always on microphones.

If they do not care why not ask them some mp3 with their sex scenes Thousands subcontractors of google/amazon/ms already hear it, why you can't?

There are quite a few reasons. First of all the recordings made by voice assistants aren't connected to your identity (or at least most people don't expect it to). Uploading it yourself for the world to hear links it to you in the minds of most people.

Second of all most people expect that the recordings made by voice assistants aren't going to be shared beyond the walls of Amazon/Google. A few random contractors you won't ever meet hearing you feels different than the entire world including people you know hearing it.

Lastly, Amazon/Google has a good reason to listen to the recordings: improve the technology so it works better for everyone including you. Random strangers have no good reason to listen to recordings of you, only bad reasons.

It really bugs how most people here seem to go "oh if you like using voice assistants why don't you just share everything with the whole world?" Privacy is a spectrum, not a binary choice. Somebody can be comfortable with Amazon/Google using the audio and not be comfortable with a live audio stream accessable to everyone on the internet.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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I have access to my neighbors ring doorbell so I can keep an eye on my home. It tells me about all the local crime and tries to make me afraid. People report door to door salesmen as suspicious. Get real. The real crime here is fear mongering presumably to sell more security products.

Fear mongering? Property crime is up in many cities. That’s real. The fear mongering is from those attacking Internet-connected cameras and creating a fake outrage when people are just exercising their constitutional rights to record video and exchange information. The entire notion that voluntary disclosure of information will lead to a dystopia is not just the slippery slope fallacy but also ACTUAL fear mongering i…

I don't know how to say this any nicer than this: I'm sorry you live in such fear. It isn’t normal and you should figure out why and work to fix it.

I live in one of the most densely populated areas of the country. I've been here for a decade. Not only have I never seen so much as mere property crime (and it is "mere"), I don't have any reason to fear it. T the contrary--I have a greater reason to fear the unregulated panopticon the fearful wish to impose upon me.

Your attitude makes society worse and you should rethink it.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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i mean, is it any different than having any other conversation that potentially involves interpersonal conflict? if it's important to you and you're willing to burn social capital on it, just politely ask that he not use it when [your boundaries here]. if you come to an impasse, then there's not much to be done other than part ways. i'd imagine this is similar to any other incompatible roommate situations, e.g. someo…

It is different. The reason it is different is that when things like always on microphones are legal it implies that they are safe. My roommate isn't technically savvy. He works as a project manager of in construction. He's a great guy, but we didn't talk about always on mics when we first met and frereubu is right that fighting battles like this isn't the way to do it. Legislation should solve this problem.

"Legislation should solve this problem."

Legislation does absolutely nothing when the people aren't involved. When people are not involved, it almost always gets usurped to remove rights and privilege from the common person.

Thus you and your roommate should be talking about these things. To remain silent is to remain complicit.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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My minor kids' photos in some company's database, tagged with neighborhood data which points to where they live, correlated with what characters they like based on costumes, correlated with their age based on their height and so and so forth.. Now if the said company can connect my kids' photos with their identity based on some other database, it will have a lot more info on them to sell ads and for other nefarious p…

Do you actually believe this is happening? No offense, but what you’re describing sounds like a paranoid fantasy. Moreover, I’m sure your kids value candy more than privacy. Also your kids have probably been caught on video hundreds of times at convenience stores, streets, wherever. If you actually wanted to avoid them being on camera at all, you would have to lock them in your house and things would turn out like th…

"Do you actually believe this is happening?"

It's been happening since the inception of marketing and advertising.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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The further down this future we travel, the less I want to do with technology. I am becoming a Luddite. None of this crappy IOT stuff will enter my home.

But would you still use strictly on-premises devices and/or uploading to the cloud with local (managed by you) encryption?

I do actually... but I also don’t have much need for them.

I have two web cameras in the kids‘ rooms, but they are fully fire walled and have zero external access. But now that they aren’t infants... do we need them?

I do backup our pictures and documents to an external provider, but the backups are encrypted and not browsable per say.

I have no need for a fridge that orders groceries or a thermostat I can control from the office...etc.

Ironically, I write software for a living and love computers... I just value privacy more than most I guess.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

#67

The further down this future we travel, the less I want to do with technology. I am becoming a Luddite. None of this crappy IOT stuff will enter my home.

Yeah it's dystopian as hell. What an incredible amount of waste, too. The storage, the engineering hours that go into it, the electricity and bandwidth...all to track you a little better so you can be sold more shit.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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The further down this future we travel, the less I want to do with technology. I am becoming a Luddite. None of this crappy IOT stuff will enter my home.

My roommate has a phone. I didn't think much of it until he said "Ok Google" while cooking. What am I supposed to say here? I don't like microphones being always on either, but it's his phone and his home too. I can't escape the millions of cameras around the city or the constant internet trackers. We should have had regulated this stuff decades ago.

I have had first hand experience (several times) with ads being shown immediately after a conversation that were spooky at best and tin foil hat inducing at worst...

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

#69

The further down this future we travel, the less I want to do with technology. I am becoming a Luddite. None of this crappy IOT stuff will enter my home.

Yeah it's dystopian as hell. What an incredible amount of waste, too. The storage, the engineering hours that go into it, the electricity and bandwidth...all to track you a little better so you can be sold more shit.

Would you feel the same if you had 100% control of the data ?

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

#70

The further down this future we travel, the less I want to do with technology. I am becoming a Luddite. None of this crappy IOT stuff will enter my home.

Yeah it's dystopian as hell. What an incredible amount of waste, too. The storage, the engineering hours that go into it, the electricity and bandwidth...all to track you a little better so you can be sold more shit.

Yea... if there is real value in something I adopt it. But only if it actually decreases a life complication. Many times the overhead involved isn’t worth the gain (to me at least)

I revisit the idea of a NAS at least once a year... each time I come to the conclusion it is more hardware to configure and keep up to date and just not worth it (being the fun of it)

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