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Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by Jamwinner »

frostyj wrote: post #39
forinti wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give them a better place to do drugs; a place where they get free needles and can throw away the old ones properly (so they won't leave them lying about).

I can't really understand the attitude such as 'if they want to do drug, let them do it in a safe way at least'. It sounds compassionate and all, but isn't doing drug just, WRONG? I somehow feel this is an encouragement to them.

No, doing drugs is not wrong. Caffiene is a drug, beer is a drug, is pot worse? Where does someone else get to draw then line for each of us personally if not ourselves?

An adult has the inalienable right to do what they want with their own body.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by clairity »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #46
dmode wrote: post #40

Mods - can we update the title to “San Francisco dog poop crisis” ? Note that the category of tickets in 311 is “Human / Animal waste”. I personally went through 100 random tickets on the sf data portal and found that 95% were either dog poop or miss classified (eg abandoned car or trash collection). People automatically read the headline and correlate to human waste.

I wouldn't mind half the police force being reassigned to fine the sort of people who let their dog shit and run. My buddy had a small garden patch on the sidewalk in front of his house. It was the only patch of garden on the block, so it was basically chock full of dog feces within a day after he cleaned it from people walking their dogs. You'd get a whiff of it just walking to his house. He eventually had the tiny…

i have a dog and always pick up her poop. i also hate it when other owners don't.

beyond being a nuisance, dog poop is actually more of a threat to dogs than to people (cross-species pathogens/infections are relatively rare).

what i don't get are the folks who who go through the trouble of bagging the poop and then dropping the bag on the ground.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by squidsurfer »

dmode wrote: post #40

Mods - can we update the title to “San Francisco dog poop crisis” ? Note that the category of tickets in 311 is “Human / Animal waste”. I personally went through 100 random tickets on the sf data portal and found that 95% were either dog poop or miss classified (eg abandoned car or trash collection). People automatically read the headline and correlate to human waste.

Oh come on, we all know it's not because of the dogs. San francisco is in the midst of a homelessness crisis, and all that comes with that.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by pmiller2 »

kragen wrote: post #21

I prompted GPT-2 with the headline and date: Is the San Francisco Sh tuation Out of Control? Originally posted on November 18, 2019 9:30 am It continued: We may be the "parking hell" of San Francisco, but at least we're predictable about it. Just like how we've been screaming for a protected bike lane all across the city, and it still can't be found. Well, we're not going to have a protected bike lane in 9 months bec…

Funny it should mention Edmund Kemper: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Kemper

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by grandmczeb »

dmode wrote: post #40

Mods - can we update the title to “San Francisco dog poop crisis” ? Note that the category of tickets in 311 is “Human / Animal waste”. I personally went through 100 random tickets on the sf data portal and found that 95% were either dog poop or miss classified (eg abandoned car or trash collection). People automatically read the headline and correlate to human waste.

I’m looking at the data portal and at least the last 300 waste complaints have no details (details field just says “Human/Animal waste” or is empty) - how did you figure out if they’re dog poop or misclassified?

Edit: E.g this one https://sf311.org/track-case?ref=11716075&email=

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by v64 »

thereisnospork wrote: post #5

I feel like if you can even ask that question then the answer is probably yes. This would make for a rare exception to Betteridge's law though.

Betteridge's law dictates that if the answer to the question is yes, then the headline is better as a declarative statement: The San Francisco Sh*tuation is Out of Control

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by larnmar »

KingMachiavelli wrote: post #54
VectorLock wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If its private enough to poop in its not private enough to do a drug deal in? So you can see multiple people's legs that's going to stop things?

Actually since it's a fixed, semi-private location, it seems really easy to monitor for drug deals. As other comments said it's almost easier to just do deals in public/daylight since not every spot on the sidewalk can be watched at all times.

That’d be great if San Francisco had enough police to monitor for anything.

As it is, drug deals happen in broad daylight on Market St anyway because nobody’s gonna stop them.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by dmode »

grandmczeb wrote: post #66
dmode wrote: post #40

Mods - can we update the title to “San Francisco dog poop crisis” ? Note that the category of tickets in 311 is “Human / Animal waste”. I personally went through 100 random tickets on the sf data portal and found that 95% were either dog poop or miss classified (eg abandoned car or trash collection). People automatically read the headline and correlate to human waste.

I’m looking at the data portal and at least the last 300 waste complaints have no details (details field just says “Human/Animal waste” or is empty) - how did you figure out if they’re dog poop or misclassified? Edit: E.g this one https://sf311.org/track-case?ref=11716075&email=

Look at the mobile uploads. They have photos attached

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by bdamm »

frostyj wrote: post #39
forinti wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give them a better place to do drugs; a place where they get free needles and can throw away the old ones properly (so they won't leave them lying about).

I can't really understand the attitude such as 'if they want to do drug, let them do it in a safe way at least'. It sounds compassionate and all, but isn't doing drug just, WRONG? I somehow feel this is an encouragement to them.

This is similar perhaps to viewing the distribution of condoms in high school as wrong. Wouldn't that encourage teens to have sex? But when you look at the data, you see that kids who go to high schools with access to condoms have lower rates of teenage pregnancy and STDs. So, did the condoms encourage sex? Hard to say. Did the condoms reduce the problems that are associated with sex? Yes.

Similarly, do safe injection sites encourage drug use? No, because drug use is going to happen regardless of the presence of safe injection sites. It does, however, make it much easier to transition drug addicts into programs that can help them. The data is there.

So bottom line; if you don't like having dirty needles about and open drug use, support safe injection sites. Likewise, if you don't like teenagers getting pregnant or getting STDs, then support access to sex ed and condoms.

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