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Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by dragontamer »

mantap wrote: post #54
lone_haxx0r wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would have guessed the opposite. Germany is known for having all sorts of restrictions

Cars are high-price, low-volume goods, and Tesla loves automating their factories. If you're making a car you don't want low regulation, you want highly qualified labor, and stable and predictable regulation.

I know that's how Elon Musk sells his factories. But in reality, people are moving around boxes with their bare hands and getting their fingers crushed.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/1...

> Lane Dillon, an engineering student, lost the tip of his finger in a workplace accident at the Tesla Gigafactory that was never reported to OSHA.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by notJim »

robertkrahn01 wrote: post #56
choeger wrote: post #2

Please drop your inevitable BER jokes below so we can recylce them properly later.

Nah, BER will actually be turned into the Tesla factory. This way they can at least stop spending millions just to keep the lights on.

It's true, they both hemorrhage money, but at least with Tesla they also produce electric cars.

(Tesla fans: relax.)

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by DanielleMolloy »

pjc50 wrote: post #59
tnolet wrote: post #52

I'm curious about how the massive left/anti-fa movement in Berlin will react to this one. They kept out Google after massive protests. Not sure this is the same thing though. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/24/google-ab... p.s. I'm based in Berlin. Have no horse in the race except that the Google office would have been right down the street of where I work.

Tesla isn't particularly political and there's no Fascist angle?

Can you elaborate on how you think Google is „fascist“?

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by erikpukinskis »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #44
coldfire wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ROI may be? the market size in Israel is not as big in other countries, so it makes sense to target bigger audience first. Also does Israel have any good local EV manufacturers that can give Tesla any competition?

> the market size in Israel is not as big in other countries Why, comma, you say that as if building a car outside of Germany and selling it inside of Germany would face some sort of unfair obstacles, rather than being a straightforward and painless process as it ought.

I think the main issues are shipping costs, supply chain, and skills base. So you’d have to argue for Israel on those three points.

I don’t think the domestic market size is primary. They built a factory in Nevada.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by sneak »

k__ wrote: post #57

Could build it on the old airport.

https://brandenburg-braucht-tegel.de/

There are a lot of Berliners who love Tegel and don't want it to close even when BBI is eventually open (whenever that may be). TXL is truly a fantastic airport, and would become even better when not overcrowded.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by erikpukinskis »

tnolet wrote: post #52

I'm curious about how the massive left/anti-fa movement in Berlin will react to this one. They kept out Google after massive protests. Not sure this is the same thing though. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/24/google-ab... p.s. I'm based in Berlin. Have no horse in the race except that the Google office would have been right down the street of where I work.

Tesla average salary is way below google so their main concern is moot here.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by jayalpha »

propercoil wrote: post #24

Good strategy from Treelon overall. You'll have Tesla producing cars and employing thousands of workers in the U.S, China & Germany so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's. This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations and basically removed Customs tax from many other countries because Tesla can send the cars from three different locations. I just don't un…

I don't understand your post at all.

"so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's."

Who is "stifling"? And many companies work on autonomous cars.

"This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations"

What AI regulations in Europe? And what is Europe? The EU?

"and basically removed Customs tax"

This is not how custom taxes work. The EU is one of the biggest free trade zone in the world. If Mercosul joins, it is the biggest.

"I just don't understand why Tesla is slow in expanding to other countries. Here in Israel we don't have Teslas and it's an extremely innovative place"

Because Tesla is burning through cash like a motherfucker. And Israel is a tiny place. This is also why, to my knowledge, nobody build cars in Israel. I mean, why not Dubai?

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by erikpukinskis »

DanielleMolloy wrote: post #63
pjc50 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla isn't particularly political and there's no Fascist angle?

Can you elaborate on how you think Google is „fascist“?

I think the idea is Google is a good tool for a hypothetical future fascist state to use.

But I think their main concern was gentrification not fascism.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by jussij »

DanielleMolloy wrote: post #63
pjc50 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla isn't particularly political and there's no Fascist angle?

Can you elaborate on how you think Google is „fascist“?

Europe has lived history of governments collecting data on it's citizens.

Since Google openly collects data on it's users, I suspect that fact does not sit well with that same populous.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pilsetnieks »

DanielleMolloy wrote: post #63
pjc50 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla isn't particularly political and there's no Fascist angle?

Can you elaborate on how you think Google is „fascist“?

Germans might be particularly sensitive about a Stasi-like surveillance apparatus.
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