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Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by JungleGymSam »

mikeyouse wrote: post #20
JungleGymSam wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your take on CNN and MSNBC? Mother Jones? The Daily Kos? HuffPo? etc.

Breitbart is an explicitly white nationalist publication. There is no comparison with standard news. https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-mille... Edit: Good lord people. SPLC has a cache of emails from Stephen Miller written to various people at Breitbart about reporting their stories with explicit white nationalist ideology. You don't have to like SPLC to believe the leaked emails any more than yo…

SPLC? Nope.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

macspoofing wrote: post #22
alecb wrote: post #18

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Ah yes, "school choice", a nice rebranding effort for privatizing another industry so Betsy Devos and other aspiring oligarchs can destroy a public good for their profit.

Why not try a charitable interpretation of 'school choice'? People I know that support vouchers and charter schools do so because they genuinely care about quality education. Maybe they are misguided, but they certainly aren't doing it to create EVIL profit for the EVIL billionaire class. As a general principle, decentralization is good.

If they care about the quality of education then they should take steps to ensure that public education is higher quality. Perhaps starting by not voting for people who want to dismantle it.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

r00fus wrote: post #40

To those who downvote and think this kind of discussion is "off-topic" for HN: When and how do we hold our titans of industry accountable for their actions? Many here either work at FB or are reliant on their network for work related activities. All of this would be a whole lot less critical if Facebook did what Twitter did and bowed out of taking political ad money.

> When and how do we hold our titans of industry accountable for their actions?

We don't even hold ourselves accountable for our actions in this industry.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by DuskStar »

mikeyouse wrote: post #53
refurb wrote: post #27

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SPLC is not an authority on what’s white supremacy and what’s not. They’ve been known to cast a wide net.

I'd encourage you to read the link instead of whatever kind of dismissal this is. They have leaked correspondence between Stephen Miller and Breitbart coordinating the latter's coverage with an explicit nationalist bent. Breitbart relies on Camp of Saints and VDare for their sourcing on policy stories. Have we already forgotten their "Black Crime" news tag?

> with an explicit nationalist bent.

If that's all, it's really interesting that it became white nationalist in SPLC's reporting...

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by mikeyouse »

DuskStar wrote: post #64
mikeyouse wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd encourage you to read the link instead of whatever kind of dismissal this is. They have leaked correspondence between Stephen Miller and Breitbart coordinating the latter's coverage with an explicit nationalist bent. Breitbart relies on Camp of Saints and VDare for their sourcing on policy stories. Have we already forgotten their "Black Crime" news tag?

> with an explicit nationalist bent. If that's all, it's really interesting that it became white nationalist in SPLC's reporting...

They literally had a section on their 'news' website called "Black Crime" - the terms are synonymous. It's astonishing to me that the crowd would rather parse SPLC's phrasing or history rather than the documentary evidence that there are white nationalists making policy at the highest levels of our government and coordinating with one of Facebook's 'approved news sources'.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by macspoofing »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #62
macspoofing wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not try a charitable interpretation of 'school choice'? People I know that support vouchers and charter schools do so because they genuinely care about quality education. Maybe they are misguided, but they certainly aren't doing it to create EVIL profit for the EVIL billionaire class. As a general principle, decentralization is good.

If they care about the quality of education then they should take steps to ensure that public education is higher quality. Perhaps starting by not voting for people who want to dismantle it.

As I said, that's a separate issue. All I asked of OP is to not impune motives on people who mean well.

Charter and voucher schools ARE public education, they just aren't part of the traditional monolithic bureaucracy. The ability to try different approaches and run different experiments to see if it results in different outcomes, and make fast adjustments, free from the existing hierarchy, is the quality improvement that proponents are striving for.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by DuskStar »

mikeyouse wrote: post #65
DuskStar wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> with an explicit nationalist bent. If that's all, it's really interesting that it became white nationalist in SPLC's reporting...

They literally had a section on their 'news' website called "Black Crime" - the terms are synonymous. It's astonishing to me that the crowd would rather parse SPLC's phrasing or history rather than the documentary evidence that there are white nationalists making policy at the highest levels of our government and coordinating with one of Facebook's 'approved news sources'.

Well, taking the maximally-charitable view of things would point out that "Black Crime" would cover ~half of violent crime in the US, and so deserve a category. But somehow I doubt that they'd cover non-black crime to quite the same extent. (Though the maximally charitable view there would be that non-black crime is better covered on other sites than black crime is, and so on)

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by mikeyouse »

DuskStar wrote: post #67
mikeyouse wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They literally had a section on their 'news' website called "Black Crime" - the terms are synonymous. It's astonishing to me that the crowd would rather parse SPLC's phrasing or history rather than the documentary evidence that there are white nationalists making policy at the highest levels of our government and coordinating with one of Facebook's 'approved news sources'.

Well, taking the maximally-charitable view of things would point out that "Black Crime" would cover ~half of violent crime in the US, and so deserve a category. But somehow I doubt that they'd cover non-black crime to quite the same extent. (Though the maximally charitable view there would be that non-black crime is better covered on other sites than black crime is, and so on)

Gross.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

macspoofing wrote: post #66
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they care about the quality of education then they should take steps to ensure that public education is higher quality. Perhaps starting by not voting for people who want to dismantle it.

As I said, that's a separate issue. All I asked of OP is to not impune motives on people who mean well. Charter and voucher schools ARE public education, they just aren't part of the traditional monolithic bureaucracy. The ability to try different approaches and run different experiments to see if it results in different outcomes, and make fast adjustments, free from the existing hierarchy, is the quality improvement…

> Charter and voucher schools ARE public education, they just aren't part of the traditional monolithic bureaucracy.

They also traditionally get to pick and choose who can attend, which often means excluding costly students like any that have disabilities.

> The ability to try different approaches and run different experiments to see if it results in different outcomes, and make fast adjustments, free from the existing hierarchy, is the quality improvement that proponents are striving for.

Great. Let's apply "move fast and break things" to education. What could possibly go wrong?

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by EpicEng »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #62
macspoofing wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not try a charitable interpretation of 'school choice'? People I know that support vouchers and charter schools do so because they genuinely care about quality education. Maybe they are misguided, but they certainly aren't doing it to create EVIL profit for the EVIL billionaire class. As a general principle, decentralization is good.

If they care about the quality of education then they should take steps to ensure that public education is higher quality. Perhaps starting by not voting for people who want to dismantle it.

Right, except they have children already and things need to change very quickly to benefit them, and most of us just don't have the time or energy.

It's not reasonable to expect everyone to crusade for reform. I want what's best for my kids now, and if that's a charter school, that's what I'm aiming for.

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