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Dopamine Fasting

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Re: Dopamine Fasting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes they are violating the recommendation of Dr. Sepah's proposal and make it into a purity trip, a meditation retreat in daily life. "You don't need to “do nothing” or meditate during a dopamine fast (unless you’d like to). Just engage in regular activities that reflect your values: - Health-Promoting (exercise, cooking) - Leading (helping, serving others) - Relating (talking, bonding over activities) - Learning (re…

This is something I came to slowly realize in the search for repairing my attention/depression issues. So far I've been getting good results. It started with giving up amphetamines (adderall, vyvanse), when that didn't do the trick, I removed alcohol and caffiene from my diet. The benefits I experienced led to stop smoking marijuana as well. That one was the toughest to give up, the anhedonia was torturous. It was li…

Read Hesse and discover moderation, it sounds like your personality seeks extremes.

Re: Dopamine Fasting

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This sounds extremely dangerous. Having low amounts of dopamine or even just a decreasing amount of dopamine can cause psychosis and Parkinson's disease. Don't listen to this garbage without talking to your doctor first.

I think you are taking the title a bit to literally. By "dopamine fast", what is meant is abstaining from activities that give you "cheap" dopamine hits, such as participating in social media and receiving likes in your posts. This is absolutely safe. If you brain is healthy, it will produce the dopamine it needs either you want it or not. Abstaining from Facebook, or even abstaining from all activity and spending th…

Yes. To quote William Arkle,

'Purity is not goodness, it is having clear and undistorted communication with all our levels of experience.'

'The teaching of purity and simplicity is therefore not an attempt to narrow down our life and experience, it is not a type of punishment, it does not invalidate our individuality neither does it bring special dispensations with it from God. It is nothing more or less than what is understood in scientific terms as a law of condition of nature which we must accept and work with because it is not within our ability to change. To be pure is not to be in fear of making mistakes which will make God angry with us and thus punish us. It is rather to eradicate from our attitudes the hesitations and suspicions which prevent us acting and experiencing with intensity and conviction.'

https://williamarkle.blogspot.com/2019/06/a-geography-of-con...

It isn't necessary to be formally religious to understand that the object of purity is to make the varying intensity of one's responses be truly integrated with the situations that one encounters, whether one is being attacked by a lion, at risk of ostracism, receiving good news, celebrating a birthday, etc.

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Naming things is hard. This seems to be a scientifically proven and effective treatment which has proved benefits. But the name makes people have incorrect assumptions (and apparently also at least one practitioner). So it’s getting a lot of bad press. All because of a bad name.

A predictably bad name that reflects Silicon Valley pretensions of "biohacking"

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Reading through this, it identifies something that I've seen a lot of people say is a problem, and suggests that the way to solve the problem is simply don't do it sometimes, on a schedule.

While that may help, you've basically dedicated a portion of your life to not enjoying your life.

Instead, I've taken a different tack. I've chosen to do those addictive things less, but instead of not-doing-fun-things, I do fun things that are at least somewhat productive.

For me, that's making something or learning a new skill, usually in order to make something. Programming, woodworking, drawing, etc. Even just putting together Lego or Metal Earth figurines, though it's harder to justify them as "productive" rather than just fun.

I still play video games. But I don't play those mobile games with the "gacha" mechanics. It's not that I don't enjoy them, but that I realize they take over my life and are not productive at all. At all.

It's not at all easy to kick these bad habits this way, but it's way better than "dopamine fasting", IMO.

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Yay nihilism. /s You can ascribe nearly anything to pleasure and dopamine. Never mind that a lot of people are addicted to facebook content partly because it generates a negative feeling.

Weird to associate nihilism with something that the article compares to religious practice, which is emphatically not nihilistic.

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Reading through this, it identifies something that I've seen a lot of people say is a problem, and suggests that the way to solve the problem is simply don't do it sometimes, on a schedule . While that may help, you've basically dedicated a portion of your life to not enjoying your life. Instead, I've taken a different tack. I've chosen to do those addictive things less, but instead of not-doing-fun-things, I do fun…

I share a similar perspective. I often wonder how much more creative and productive we'd be if video games suddenly disappeared, or if by magic, the internet shut off at 8pm every night.

I've observed that when the internet has gone down, or I've been unable to play videogames, I'm more likely to fill the downtime with building things.

Re: Dopamine Fasting

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Reading through this, it identifies something that I've seen a lot of people say is a problem, and suggests that the way to solve the problem is simply don't do it sometimes, on a schedule . While that may help, you've basically dedicated a portion of your life to not enjoying your life. Instead, I've taken a different tack. I've chosen to do those addictive things less, but instead of not-doing-fun-things, I do fun…

Honestly, staying away from "gacha" (and most, if not all, kinds of microtransactions) is just common sense at this point.

I also try to do interesting things that are productive (studying certain topics, writing code, etc). I'd like to think that anyone can find a hobby like that (playing a musical instrument looks like could work for a lot of people, for example), although judging from some people I've met, maybe I'm wrong. What I'm pretty sure of is that discipline can be learned, and that certain level of discipline is needed at least to kickstart a hobby.

Re: Dopamine Fasting

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Terribly biased hit piece on Silicon Valley, here is my rebuttal: https://medium.com/@DrSepah/why-the-media-lies-to-you-about-...

Just FYI, mocking the term "Toxic Masculinity" shows you either don't understand what it refers to or think those things are good, either of which makes me much less interested in anything else you might have to say because it sets a bad precedent.

Toxic Masculinity does not mean being male is toxic (i.e. harmful). It refers to specific ideas about what it means to be male or how men should act that are toxic. Like not sharing emotions other than violence, not asking for help, never admitting weakness, etc. If you think those things are silly and we shouldn't be doing them: great! But many people (especially men) hold onto these notions and that's what the term refers to.

Re: Dopamine Fasting

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> The other day, Mr. Sinka ran into an old friend but had to tell her they could not continue speaking.

> “I hadn’t seen her in six months, and it was extraordinarily exciting, super-stimulating, and I could feel how excited I was,” he said. “So I had to cut it off and I just said, ‘Listen, it’s not you, it’s me, doing this dopamine fast.’”

If this were on HBO's Silicon Valley, we would dismiss it as too over-the-top.

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Reading through this, it identifies something that I've seen a lot of people say is a problem, and suggests that the way to solve the problem is simply don't do it sometimes, on a schedule . While that may help, you've basically dedicated a portion of your life to not enjoying your life. Instead, I've taken a different tack. I've chosen to do those addictive things less, but instead of not-doing-fun-things, I do fun…

I share a similar perspective. I often wonder how much more creative and productive we'd be if video games suddenly disappeared, or if by magic, the internet shut off at 8pm every night. I've observed that when the internet has gone down, or I've been unable to play videogames, I'm more likely to fill the downtime with building things.

The internet is crucial for many people to be productive.

If by "internet" you meant "fscebook, twitter, Instagram and the like", you already see the problem.

I'd say that delaying gratification somewhat is key. If you stop the internal monkey from getting its immediate hit of dopamine, and get the conscious part of you involved, you can be productive and enjoy it.

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