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Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by thrower123 » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 1:56 PM UTC

Udo wrote: post #22

Put another way, both men and women seem to agree that breakups are more likely the man's fault than the woman's. What I found curious is that at the same time, apparently the majority of "laypeople" when asked about it in an online survey, expected no gender difference at all. It's a strange disparity in the data, I wonder if it's due to sampling or if people genuinely think their own experiences are atypical. Edit:…

If you ask women, it is rare to find instances where they'll agree that men are ever correct, in anything. There's been so much rah-rah girlpower feminism and promotion of the idea that men are bumbling incompetents in the public consciousnesses.

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by conanbatt » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 1:57 PM UTC

thex10 wrote: post #47

IceWreck wrote: post #8

Linked Paper instead of article:- https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/19485506198766...

Thank you. I looked at the paper initially wondering whether their sample acknowledges the disproportionate number of men who murder their ex-female-partner, and, while not resolving that, I ended up finding that while the researchers record the type of breakup (substance abuse, personal problems, infidelity, etc), none of their quantified metrics appear to use this as a variable. I'd be curious to see how the outcom…

> Men, in contrast, are more likely to claim that they do not know what caused their past breakups (Amato & Previti, 2003).

This is a very funny quote. Men truly are dumbasses on this topic.

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by rpmisms » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

lightbyte wrote: post #57

conanbatt wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If gender identity is not biological, what is it?

Gender identity is an emergent social construct, there isn't anything biological about it.

Besides the concepts of motherhood and fatherhood. Ignoring those glaring omissions, you're closer to having a point.

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by epx » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #49

My hot take: Women give and men take in relationships. See life expectancy of married vs unmarried men and the same for women. When a breakup happens women loses more as she committed more.

Since when life expectancy is measure of a good and meaningful life? It is more a measure of risk-avoidance.

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by jgalt212 » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

progval wrote: post #23

rpmisms wrote: post #3

Oh boy, research showing differences between biological genders. This is going to either be ignored or absolutely explode.

It's sociology and psychology research, not biology. Biological explanation in this article is speculation not backed by the study.

> Biological explanation

You can't study that these days. The orthodoxy insists that any differences in outcomes are solely due to environment, power structures, implicit and explicit biases.

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by louisswiss » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 2:00 PM UTC

thex10 wrote: post #47

IceWreck wrote: post #8

Linked Paper instead of article:- https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/19485506198766...

Thank you. I looked at the paper initially wondering whether their sample acknowledges the disproportionate number of men who murder their ex-female-partner, and, while not resolving that, I ended up finding that while the researchers record the type of breakup (substance abuse, personal problems, infidelity, etc), none of their quantified metrics appear to use this as a variable. I'd be curious to see how the outcom…

> wondering whether their sample acknowledges the disproportionate number of men who murder their ex-female-partner

Curious how this is relevant to the study?

Roughly 0.001% of women are killed by a male partner each year in the US and - while terrible in of itself - I can't see it affecting the results of this study in any significant way.

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by davemp » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 2:00 PM UTC

progval wrote: post #51

davemp wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you need "men" defined for you, you're going to have trouble participating in useful communication. Use a bit of intuition.

doctor_m's question is legitimate though. "Men" is a very large group (obviously), and subgroups may have very different behaviors on this topic; hence asking for "which men?" (although they badly phrased it) And it's worth noting that the study only focus on heterosexual people, so a more accurate title would be "Heterosexual men hold more positive attitudes towards ex-partners than heterosexual women do"

> And it's worth noting that the study only focus on heterosexual people, so a more accurate title would be "Heterosexual men hold more positive attitudes towards ex-partners than heterosexual women do"

At some point you're just going to have to read the paper if you want full accuracy.

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by hsnewman » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 2:00 PM UTC

What about trans people?

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by Spooky23 » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 2:00 PM UTC

aphextim wrote: post #38

Anecdotal, however I find that in my lifetime I was/am able to 'move on' and forget about things such as minor disagreements between partners where they (female partners) have tended to dwell on things longer than my male friends. Could have been the same if I had male partners I suppose, although that isn't my personal taste. Not just in relationships but even among co-workers I notice there is a lot more gossip bet…

Relationships are more "loaded" with negative personal consequences for women. Less so than in the past, but it's there.

There's often a negative interpretation of a woman having more relationships or ending one that isn't really a factor with men. IMO, this creates a bias to justify ending a relationship for cause.

With a man, there's no threshold where your next girlfriend will lead to you being categorized negatively. If anything, you get more respect in some circles.

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by conanbatt » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 2:01 PM UTC

lightbyte wrote: post #57

conanbatt wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If gender identity is not biological, what is it?

Gender identity is an emergent social construct, there isn't anything biological about it.

If there is nothing innate to the human on Gender identity, if its purely a construct, then you can engage in full repression of gender identities with no consequences.