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Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by zbraniecki »

anon34568911 wrote: post #53
egeozcan wrote: post #9

I switched to Firefox after they stopped caring about usability issues (like right clicking without releasing left mouse button deselects the text since v fifty-something on windows), the difficulties they created for ad blockers, the account integration fiasco, and so on. I know this particular bug seems to be an edge case that may happen with every browser, but when you are using Chrome, you should know that if an…

Firefox could be a lot better with usability issues, too. They will agree on something being an issue and then let the ticket sit there for months and years, even if it's something that's easy to fix and should be prioritized.

"should be prioritized" is a very subjective statement. Out of every 100 tickets, there is 50 people who believe theirs is the most important one. And we have over 200k tickets total (not all are bugs, many are resolved, but the scale is massive).

If you think a bug is easy to fix, pleasez consider providing a patch.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

#62

Post by sandGorgon »

hawski wrote: post #43
petre wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I there a plugin to spoof the UA for certain sites only? Edit: it doesn't work.

There is also an add-on just for Skype: https://addons.mozilla.org/en/firefox/addon/firefox-web-skyp... I use it, instead of different methods, because it's just a few clicks away and for me it's one of the top results for "firefox skype".

THANKS!

this just worked. Onto Firefox!

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

#63

Post by Insanity »

eitland wrote: post #54
realusername wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They just block it by user agent, if you spoof it, everything is working well.

How comes nobody has sued them over that yet?!!

It's the same as games saying: "windows only". They could argue that it's a technical requirement.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by wazoox »

Funny, my company has been developing an application that suddenly behaved bizarrely in Chrome 76 (some divs were constantly jumping up and down the page, augh). We pulled our hair on this problem for a week, then suddenly Chrome 77 corrected that... But apparently it's broken elsewhere?

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by josteink »

pmontra wrote: post #26
js8 wrote: post #4

It seems like drag-and-drop is out of fashion. I think big reason is that it really cannot be done well on touch-screen devices and touchpads. I don't really complain, because I have always found d&d rather impractical (and it's also terrible for accessibility); unfortunately, there are some applications that still rely on it a lot. (As an aside, what bothers me more that the right-click menu goes out of fashion. Tha…

A customer of mine uses Kanbanize to organize software development. Think Trello on steroids. I imagine that instead of dragging cards to their destination we could open a menu and select the destination column. Maybe that would be even faster sometimes. However reordering cards inside a column without drag and drop would be a pain: Move Up, Move Down buttons, no thanks.

> I imagine that instead of dragging cards to their destination we could open a menu and select the destination column. Maybe that would be even faster sometimes.

In Azure Devops (Or Microsoft Team Foundation Server, for the old-timers), you can do this.

And the people trying to twiddle the menus are orders of magnitudes slower at operating the board than people simply dragging things around.

It's so much slower, it's painful to watch.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by nly »

egeozcan wrote: post #9

I switched to Firefox after they stopped caring about usability issues (like right clicking without releasing left mouse button deselects the text since v fifty-something on windows), the difficulties they created for ad blockers, the account integration fiasco, and so on. I know this particular bug seems to be an edge case that may happen with every browser, but when you are using Chrome, you should know that if an…

Given that Chrome ended Opera, and is effectively ending IE/Edge, people really need to take pause and appreciate and be thankful that Firefox is still around. I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles. I certainly don't expect it to be around in another 5-10 years.

Firefox's tiny market share is all that stands between all the W3C and WHATG publications going from "standards" to "what Chromium does".

Google is a giant corporation. One day they're going to do an IE6, and shift their focus away from the project, and the whole web will suffer.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by josteink »

js8 wrote: post #35
pmontra wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A customer of mine uses Kanbanize to organize software development. Think Trello on steroids. I imagine that instead of dragging cards to their destination we could open a menu and select the destination column. Maybe that would be even faster sometimes. However reordering cards inside a column without drag and drop would be a pain: Move Up, Move Down buttons, no thanks.

I don't disagree, this is a great example. I think d&d can work in special cases where the distance for the item to travel is not too small (so that you wouldn't move things by accident), but it is also not uncomfortably far away so that you don't see the target and have to navigate to it while you're d&d-ing. I guess these limiting factors are what makes it tricky to get right. But what about selecting a card and be…

> But what about selecting a card and being able to move it around with the keyboard?

So when someone suggests drag-n-drop works bad on touch/mobile, you suggest another operation which relies on a keyboard as a potential improvement?

Come on. This would make things even worse.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by josteink »

js8 wrote: post #40
The_rationalist wrote: post #37

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Less ergonomic and most people don't use the keyboard anyway.

We know very well that well-designed keyboard UI can run circles around mouse-based one in a typical application. If you're a user of a "Kanban board", you're not some aunt with a phone, you are most likely in the office and you can learn to use the keyboard productively in the productivity app you use every day.

> If you're a user of a "Kanban board", you're not some aunt with a phone

No. Instead it means you are a project manager, and that often implies that your technical skills are on the same level as that aunt, maybe slightly better, but not by much.

> you are most likely in the office and you can learn to use the keyboard

Or just keep using drag'n'drop which is the established pattern, which also works really well for this, with the mouse you already have in the office.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

#69

Post by eitland »

Insanity wrote: post #63
eitland wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How comes nobody has sued them over that yet?!!

It's the same as games saying: "windows only". They could argue that it's a technical requirement.

In the "Windows only" case it is kind of reasonable: supporting another platform takes work.

When they are blocking other browsers explicitly despite the fact that the other platforms work that is a whole different level.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by Insanity »

eitland wrote: post #69
Insanity wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same as games saying: "windows only". They could argue that it's a technical requirement.

In the "Windows only" case it is kind of reasonable: supporting another platform takes work. When they are blocking other browsers explicitly despite the fact that the other platforms work that is a whole different level.

Well browsers with a different engine do work differently. By the way, I do disagree with this strategy. Just saying it is not necessarily something illegal.
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