Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew • Hacker News Board

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by jmiskovic » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:07 PM UTC

Y_Y wrote: post #9

Obviously this is wrong and tyrannical etc. I can't help wondering though if this may have unexpected benefits for e.g.: sleep quality, civility in online discussions, exercise. It's hardly intended that way, but could end up being a net benefit for the well-being of citizens, particularly if it were implemented in a highly-developed country like the US.

I'm thinking of different benefit - raising awareness of internet backbone being single point of failure for communication within any local community. Widespread mesh network technology would help with both fighting oppressive regimes and organising the crisis relief.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by flyGuyOnTheSly » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:07 PM UTC

ephemeralism wrote: post #59

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have hundreds of products in my house that say "Made in Hong Kong". I don't have a single product in my house that says "Made in Iraq". It's not strange that North America doesn't care much about Iraqi plight, as we have next to no relationship with them or their people. Same as we all cannot afford to cry over every single other person's mother and father passing away, but we cry over our own parents passing.

well, you did invade them. Overthrew their government. but sure, other than that, next to no connection.

I am a Polish immigrant to Canada.

Canada very reluctantly helped the US with their air raid campaign over Afghanistan, but as far as I am aware we didn't have much say in Iraq.

And either way, I fail to see how that translates to having a closer relationship with their people.

If anything, it distances them from our psyche.

Obviously the invasion of Iraq was the wrong thing to do. I am not arguing that it was right in any way whatsoever.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:08 PM UTC

essenauta wrote: post #53

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have hundreds of products in my house that say "Made in Hong Kong". I don't have a single product in my house that says "Made in Iraq". It's not strange that North America doesn't care much about Iraqi plight, as we have next to no relationship with them or their people. Same as we all cannot afford to cry over every single other person's mother and father passing away, but we cry over our own parents passing.

>occupy a sovereign country for 12 years >Continue to keep soldiers there >no relationship flyGuyOnTheSly, I...

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Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by cscurmudgeon » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:10 PM UTC

lozf wrote: post #54

emptyfile wrote: post #8

2019-10-09 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-protests-latest-... >At least 110 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in Baghdad and in the south, since security forces started cracking down on demonstrators. And the whole world is "outraged" about HK. Here on this thread the other posters are making jokes. If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no…

Remember that Kashmir is still under 24h curfew, with no Internet / International calls since 5th August.

Remember that Pakistan is still an Islamic republic and recently blocked a bill that will allow non Muslims to become PM or President.

https://www.news18.com/news/world/pak-parliament-blocks-chri...

The world did not care.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:10 PM UTC

Y_Y wrote: post #9

Obviously this is wrong and tyrannical etc. I can't help wondering though if this may have unexpected benefits for e.g.: sleep quality, civility in online discussions, exercise. It's hardly intended that way, but could end up being a net benefit for the well-being of citizens, particularly if it were implemented in a highly-developed country like the US.

Those kids might have nothing except go outside and assemble together...perhaps another instance of the law of unintended consequences?

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by noselasd » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:14 PM UTC

daliusd wrote: post #17

emptyfile wrote: post #8

2019-10-09 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-protests-latest-... >At least 110 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in Baghdad and in the south, since security forces started cracking down on demonstrators. And the whole world is "outraged" about HK. Here on this thread the other posters are making jokes. If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no…

> the whole world > no one gives a shit You should speak for yourself. There are people who care but that does not make a difference unfortunately (yet or maybe never). As well you shouldn't speak in absolutes IMHO.

He isn't speaking in absolutes - you are interpreting it in absolutes. "whole world" and "noone gives a shit" are not absolute terms in common speak.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by mlang23 » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:15 PM UTC

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #45

emptyfile wrote: post #8

2019-10-09 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-protests-latest-... >At least 110 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in Baghdad and in the south, since security forces started cracking down on demonstrators. And the whole world is "outraged" about HK. Here on this thread the other posters are making jokes. If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no…

I have hundreds of products in my house that say "Made in Hong Kong". I don't have a single product in my house that says "Made in Iraq". It's not strange that North America doesn't care much about Iraqi plight, as we have next to no relationship with them or their people. Same as we all cannot afford to cry over every single other person's mother and father passing away, but we cry over our own parents passing.

Your people invaded Iraq just 15 years ago. No matter what you say, I believe you have a rather large obligation when it comes to Iraq. It is easy to forget history, right?

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by ejstronge » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:16 PM UTC

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #64

lozf wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember that Kashmir is still under 24h curfew, with no Internet / International calls since 5th August.

Remember that Pakistan is still an Islamic republic and recently blocked a bill that will allow non Muslims to become PM or President. https://www.news18.com/news/world/pak-parliament-blocks-chri... The world did not care.

> Remember that Pakistan is still an Islamic republic and recently blocked a bill that will allow non Muslims to become PM or President.

> https://www.news18.com/news/world/pak-parliament-blocks-chri....

> The world did not care.

I don't really see the equivalence between India and Pakistan's actions. Also, I'm not up-to-date on Indian politics, but how many non-Hindu leaders have been elected to top positions?

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by freeflight » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:18 PM UTC

emptyfile wrote: post #8

2019-10-09 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-protests-latest-... >At least 110 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in Baghdad and in the south, since security forces started cracking down on demonstrators. And the whole world is "outraged" about HK. Here on this thread the other posters are making jokes. If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no…

It's the same everywhere: Attacks on Saudi oil refineries got world-wide attention and mention by world leaders, even tho not a single person died.

While around that same time, the US accidentally droned 30+ Afghani farmers [0]. The international response to that? It doesn't exist to this day.

[0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-afghanistan-attack-drones...

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by thewholeview » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:22 PM UTC

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #44

squarefoot wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no one gives a shit about Yemen." Of course the world wouldn't give a shit: they're poor, badly clothed, darker skinned and (oh the horror!) even muslim, and when they finally all die their territory and oil will be up for grabs by the west. (undisclaimer: that wasn't a joke)

Isn't it logical (or at least understandable) to care more about the people who share the same cultural values and historical bagage than about other cultures which are harder to understand and relate to? Why should people care equally much about every single culture on earth, regardless of how much it relates to their own situation and life?

The problem that us Chinese see is the level of hypocrisy at play here. The narrative on the entire HK suppose is in the name of freedom and evil of China and thus democracy must be the solution. Iraq has been "liberated" with democracy and yet the outcry is not an issue. I make no judgment on the merits of democracy, but if the West continues to play the propaganda narrative behind a fear of threat it is hard to justify the reasoning thrown around.