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Re: Political Operatives Faked Millions of Comments Against Net Nuetrality

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Post by WillPostForFood »

ThalesX wrote: post #16

I try to shy away from politics on this website but I can't shake this nagging feeling that this says something important about the current state of the US and the world. I am not a US citizen nor a resident, nor am I a Russian citizen or resident, so my opinions are absolutely subjective. I feel like whenever an external agent such as Russia opens up the troll farms, the US gets all up in arms about the threat to de…

while they are doing it to their own citizens!

That's not what the story is saying. The FCC didn't create any fake comments. From one we know so far, one "grassroots" marketing company has been identified as creating fake comments. Their client hasn't been identified, but likely is an ISP, or an ISP lobbying group. This is bad behavior, but far from the Government psyops on its own citizens.

edit: yes, multiple industry lobbying groups have been identified. The FCC wasn't behind this, this isn't an example of a government psyop against its own citizens.

Re: Political Operatives Faked Millions of Comments Against Net Nuetrality

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Post by philipov »

ThalesX wrote: post #16

I try to shy away from politics on this website but I can't shake this nagging feeling that this says something important about the current state of the US and the world. I am not a US citizen nor a resident, nor am I a Russian citizen or resident, so my opinions are absolutely subjective. I feel like whenever an external agent such as Russia opens up the troll farms, the US gets all up in arms about the threat to de…

> I try to shy away from politics on this website but...

Who was it that said, "Those who don't do politics will have politics done to them"

Re: Political Operatives Faked Millions of Comments Against Net Nuetrality

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Post by duxup »

ThalesX wrote: post #16

I try to shy away from politics on this website but I can't shake this nagging feeling that this says something important about the current state of the US and the world. I am not a US citizen nor a resident, nor am I a Russian citizen or resident, so my opinions are absolutely subjective. I feel like whenever an external agent such as Russia opens up the troll farms, the US gets all up in arms about the threat to de…

>I don't hear Russia on the world stage as vocal about it as the US

Does that, matter?

Does your hearing one country talk about this topic, and you not hearing another country talk about it matter or mean something in some way?

Re: Political Operatives Faked Millions of Comments Against Net Nuetrality

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Post by ThalesX »

duxup wrote: post #64
ThalesX wrote: post #16

I try to shy away from politics on this website but I can't shake this nagging feeling that this says something important about the current state of the US and the world. I am not a US citizen nor a resident, nor am I a Russian citizen or resident, so my opinions are absolutely subjective. I feel like whenever an external agent such as Russia opens up the troll farms, the US gets all up in arms about the threat to de…

>I don't hear Russia on the world stage as vocal about it as the US Does that, matter? Does your hearing one country talk about this topic, and you not hearing another country talk about it matter or mean something in some way?

For me it does.

For me it does as a major part of my opinion forming mechanism is actually listening to the official declaration of countries regarding matters of importance to me.

Is there a reason why you are asking me these questions? Should it not matter? Am I an idiot for listening to the official statements of countries regarding international matters?

Re: Political Operatives Faked Millions of Comments Against Net Nuetrality

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Post by iptq »

cat199 wrote: post #56
ThalesX wrote: post #16

I try to shy away from politics on this website but I can't shake this nagging feeling that this says something important about the current state of the US and the world. I am not a US citizen nor a resident, nor am I a Russian citizen or resident, so my opinions are absolutely subjective. I feel like whenever an external agent such as Russia opens up the troll farms, the US gets all up in arms about the threat to de…

> I am not a US citizen nor a resident, nor am I a Russian citizen or resident, so my opinions are absolutely subjective. believe me, this doesn't make your opinions objective ;)

Looks like u didn't read the last word

Re: Political Operatives Faked Millions of Comments Against Net Nuetrality

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Post by duxup »

ThalesX wrote: post #65
duxup wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't hear Russia on the world stage as vocal about it as the US Does that, matter? Does your hearing one country talk about this topic, and you not hearing another country talk about it matter or mean something in some way?

For me it does. For me it does as a major part of my opinion forming mechanism is actually listening to the official declaration of countries regarding matters of importance to me. Is there a reason why you are asking me these questions? Should it not matter? Am I an idiot for listening to the official statements of countries regarding international matters?

Do you consider the buzzfeed article "official declaration of countries"?

I feel like you anthropomorphize this situation almost to irrelevance.

"This country complained, this one didn't." is such a simplification that I think you're missing the actual topic.

If two countries nuked each other and one complained more, would it matter?

Re: Political Operatives Faked Millions of Comments Against Net Nuetrality

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Post by murph-almighty »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #61
ThalesX wrote: post #16

I try to shy away from politics on this website but I can't shake this nagging feeling that this says something important about the current state of the US and the world. I am not a US citizen nor a resident, nor am I a Russian citizen or resident, so my opinions are absolutely subjective. I feel like whenever an external agent such as Russia opens up the troll farms, the US gets all up in arms about the threat to de…

while they are doing it to their own citizens! That's not what the story is saying. The FCC didn't create any fake comments. From one we know so far, one "grassroots" marketing company has been identified as creating fake comments. Their client hasn't been identified, but likely is an ISP, or an ISP lobbying group. This is bad behavior, but far from the Government psyops on its own citizens. edit: yes, multiple indus…

> likely is an ISP, or an ISP lobbying group

The devil is in the details here- consider the current state of regulatory capture of the FCC, where Ajit Pai is arguably representing the interests of his previous employer, Verizon. It's not a giant leap to argue that the placement of Pai and the comments on the net neutrality board were 1) orchestrated by Verizon and 2) strategically use the government as a proxy to hide the exercise of their will.

I wouldn't say this is a case of `the government is doing psyops`, but rather `some entity is using the government to gaslight the people`. I don't blame the structure for this problem, but the people who corrupted it.

Re: Political Operatives Faked Millions of Comments Against Net Nuetrality

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Post by ThalesX »

duxup wrote: post #67
ThalesX wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me it does. For me it does as a major part of my opinion forming mechanism is actually listening to the official declaration of countries regarding matters of importance to me. Is there a reason why you are asking me these questions? Should it not matter? Am I an idiot for listening to the official statements of countries regarding international matters?

Do you consider the buzzfeed article "official declaration of countries"? I feel like you anthropomorphize this situation almost to irrelevance. "This country complained, this one didn't." is such a simplification that I think you're missing the actual topic. If two countries nuked each other and one complained more, would it matter?

> Do you consider the buzzfeed article "official declaration of countries"?

No.

> If two countries nuked each other and one complained more, would it matter?

For me, yes, the official statements on the nuking countries would matter.

Re: Political Operatives Faked Millions of Comments Against Net Nuetrality

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Post by duxup »

ThalesX wrote: post #69
duxup wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you consider the buzzfeed article "official declaration of countries"? I feel like you anthropomorphize this situation almost to irrelevance. "This country complained, this one didn't." is such a simplification that I think you're missing the actual topic. If two countries nuked each other and one complained more, would it matter?

> Do you consider the buzzfeed article "official declaration of countries"? No. > If two countries nuked each other and one complained more, would it matter? For me, yes, the official statements on the nuking countries would matter.

Why though?

Countries make statements for internal audiences, external, etc. They're hardly a good indicator of much of anything.

Let alone that you'd be basing your opinion about what they said, not what they did.

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