Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

Post by Mikeb85 » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 5:56 PM UTC

r00fus wrote: post #54

Mikeb85 wrote: post #12

I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. It's not like the earth is on fire right now. In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. There's more food security worldwide than at any point in human history. Less war than ever. Less poverty than ever before. Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maxi…

> It's not like the earth is on fire right now. Sure. Fires in the arctic are normal things [1]. 100+ degree summers in Germany and France are totes the norm. [2]. Reality has a climate-crisis bias. > In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. This is a false dichotomy - that improved worldwide living conditions don't indicate a looming climate crisis. It could be argued that it all gets better u…

Post by papermachete » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 5:59 PM UTC

ball_of_lint wrote: post #23

whydoyoucare wrote: post #13

Was her message to (failing to) act imply actual technical steps and commitment to reduce certain variables in certain years or increase taxes? I am confused here. sarcasm And yes, of course, global warming is the biggest existential threat to humanity. Poverty, hunger, addiction, homelessness, open defecation, and other trivial issues aren't really the ones Governments' should prioritize, it should be protecting hum…

This is a straw man. No one thinks climate change is the only thing a government should spend money on. Many do think it has not been taken as seriously as it ought to be given the significance of the harms it leads to.

Post by papermachete » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 6:03 PM UTC

Tepix wrote: post #6

lazyjones wrote: post #4

The EU and USA are really doing quite well. She should be telling the rest of the world it's not enough: https://www.carbonbrief.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Fossi... I like it warmer though, where's my lobby? ;-)

Pretty much noone is doing "quite well". The goals of the Paris agreement are not within reach with the current measures. We need to half our emissions every 10 years! Saying "I like it warmer" just shows how poorly informed you are. Are you ok with all of the world's coral reefs dying? That's what were are going. These reefs are home to 25% of all species in the oceans!

Post by papermachete » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 6:07 PM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #64

papermachete wrote: post #60

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Why listen to a child, specifically, and not the scientists themselves? Unless it is another attempt to portrey kids as the symbol of purity and truth.

Are we only able to listen to one or the other?

Post by papermachete » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 6:16 PM UTC

viklove wrote: post #62

Isinlor wrote: post #59

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Because there is no world overpopulation. People talk about overpopulation since ancient times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation#History_o... Currently standard of living are growing almost all over the world and human population is predicted to pick and stabilize at around 11 billion. I really recommend "DON'T PANIC — Hans Rosling showing the facts about population" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=…

If the global population was still 2 billion as in the early 1900s, I'm certain we wouldn't have a climate crisis anywhere near the scale we're seeing today. We should be panicking, and I don't understand why our population should be allowed to grow until the Earth literally cannot sustain it. We're an intelligent and evolved species, and we'd all be better off exercising some self-control and keeping our population…