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Increased sedentary behaviour alters metabolism and body composition (2018)

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Re: Increased sedentary behaviour alters metabolism and body composition (2018)

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Post by ska »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #16
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #2

I love the phrase metabolic derangements. It accurately conveys how completely abnormal the changes are.

It seems melodramatic to me. And these abnormal changes can be mitigated by walking those 10,000 steps a day they reduced their activity by. That requires a conscious effort, but it's not an onerous burden.

It is not melodramatic, it is a technical term being used properly.

You are perhaps thinking about the psychiatric usage implying a significant mental disorder, but here it just means that the system (i.e. metabolism) has been disturbed in its function, e.g. that it is out of normal range.

Re: Increased sedentary behaviour alters metabolism and body composition (2018)

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Post by ska »

hohoho12345 wrote: post #15
umvi wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Downvoted because these types of comments are unsubstantive. You are basically just affirming Linus's Law: "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow". Just because the bug is shallow to you doesn't mean it is shallow to everyone .

I agree with the guy above you; the results of their hypothesis were already very well known. Everyone realizes that getting less exercise decreases calories burned in a day. These studies need to start going further in depth than just reading that your health gets worse if you stop exercising.

I think you and the guy above are missing a key point in this paper, the emphasis on "Short Term" in the title.

While most people realize that a sedentary lifestyle has issues, it will surprise a lot of people that a typically active person who is sedentary for 2w (e.g. an injury, a deadline at work, whatever) might have measurable metabolic changes...

Re: Increased sedentary behaviour alters metabolism and body composition (2018)

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Post by johnchristopher »

mrzimmerman wrote: post #52

"Walking good, sitting bad." But seriously, I think this sort of adds to the pile of evidence that even small amounts of exercise on a regular basis has marked health impacts. I'm a Type 1 diabetic so I have the benefit of a sensor that continuously tells me my blood glucose, so I can see the difference between when I'm walking on a daily basis to and from the office, and when I'm working from home. Same breakfast, v…

What kind of sensor do you have ? I am not diabetic but I'd like to monitor my sugar level somehow.

Re: Increased sedentary behaviour alters metabolism and body composition (2018)

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Post by ska »

RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #26
hohoho12345 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the guy above you; the results of their hypothesis were already very well known. Everyone realizes that getting less exercise decreases calories burned in a day. These studies need to start going further in depth than just reading that your health gets worse if you stop exercising.

I think every one knows what needs to change as well. To effectively use our bodies in the way they've evolved, we need to be using them from sun-up to sun-down every day. We evolved on savanas, upland steppes, mountains, and jungles; hunting, gathering, foraging, defending, building, with raw human power, for the vast majority of our time on this planet. If we had to push plows with human labor; gather and reap the…

> we need to be using them from sun-up to sun-down every day.

That is not clear at all. Using them more, yes. Avoiding repetitive actions (or mitigating them) yes. I'd like to see any evidence that has been gathered for sun-up to sun-down being necessary; I'd assume overuse is also a problem.

Re: Increased sedentary behaviour alters metabolism and body composition (2018)

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Post by ska »

adameast1978 wrote: post #47

I am all for science but I am really curious why we need studies to prove things that are this obvious and simple. Hell just with thought experiments, basic thermodynamic principles and a little Anatomy and Physiology alone you conclude most of these things.

Thought experiments based on basic principals and our still too weak understanding of bio-phys can (and have, time and time again) lead you to an awful lot of plausible but wrong conclusions.

There is no real substitute for doing the science.

Re: Increased sedentary behaviour alters metabolism and body composition (2018)

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Post by WhompingWindows »

iikoolpp wrote: post #55

On one hand, my body is probably fucked from laying in bed for 18 hours a day, every single day, a year. On the other hand, moving about is exhausting and hurts so why would I want to do it? I fully plan on killing myself before 30 so it's not like I'll see the knock-on effects.

Why are you lying in bed for 18 hours a day? Is it depression or another illness? Don't kill yourself just for turning 30, I am 30 and life keeps on keeping on, just as decently as before. Sure my hair line is a bit receded and I get a bit more aches and pains, but by and large it's the same as before, except I have a stability and future set up that I had only dreamed of at 23.

Re: Increased sedentary behaviour alters metabolism and body composition (2018)

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Post by philote »

Dumblydorr wrote: post #38
tom_mellior wrote: post #20

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I work in front of a computer, at a standing desk. You can get adjustable desks too and stand for part of the day. The "not sitting" part is achievable, I believe there are countries (Denmark maybe?) that even mandate that computer desks in offices be adjustable so everyone can choose whether to sit or stand. That said, I've been working at my standing desk for over a year, I wasn't very fit before, and I don't feel…

The issue is remaining static, sitting is fine in small doses but the longer you sit, the more problematic as blood pools, muscles adaptively shorten, and your posture deteriorates. Sitting down, getting up, walking, driving, we also need to be cognizant of our posture and form during these motions, as there are right and wrong ways that put more or less stress on the body. For instance, sitting down from the hips, b…

Very much agreed. I have a sitting/standing desk and I've had a huge improvement in back issues since using it (and actually standing at it.. it's easy to forget to do that when you're so used to sitting).

However, I also notice that if I'm standing I am more likely to walk away from my desk and move around a bit more.

Re: Increased sedentary behaviour alters metabolism and body composition (2018)

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Post by mikelyons »

iikoolpp wrote: post #57
mikelyons wrote: post #56

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Why kill yourself before thirty?

I don't want to be old.

Thirty definitely ain't old. It's just funny seeing this to me because I used to say the same thing when I was a teen. "I wont make it to thirty! live fast die young baby!" But I'm 33 now and it's been the best few years of my life so far. Still afraid of the diseases of aging, and of my elderly future, but it's the human condition. That's life, don't miss it.

Re: Increased sedentary behaviour alters metabolism and body composition (2018)

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Post by RosanaAnaDana »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #30
RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think every one knows what needs to change as well. To effectively use our bodies in the way they've evolved, we need to be using them from sun-up to sun-down every day. We evolved on savanas, upland steppes, mountains, and jungles; hunting, gathering, foraging, defending, building, with raw human power, for the vast majority of our time on this planet. If we had to push plows with human labor; gather and reap the…

>If we had to push plows with human labor; gather and reap the harvest by had, I guarantee you we'd be fit af. We'd also be worn out by middle age. Look at various manual labor trades for example. You wind up with a couple muscle groups in great shape and a couple others that are just destroyed.

Yep. Our physiology is built to burn out relatively young. Living into old age is a modern modern convention (~<5kya)
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