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U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

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Re: U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

#61

This is how you create terrorists. What do you think the children and friends feelings towards the US will be from now on? People get radicalized for much less than that.

Comparing the reactions between this (seemlingly little) reported incident, and the attack on Saudi oil facilites (zero fatalities) is an interesting exercise. edit: added word 'Saudi'

very good point, i didn't think about

Re: U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

#62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many "error's" does the US make? Far too many for them to be called "error's" anymore. How many kids were radicalised by the US going into Iraq and killing millions of their people? Tens of thousands of orphans, with an evil imperial army coming into their home, bombing their farms, raiding their homes, murdering civilians. Enough to create ISIS and radicalise thousands upon thousands more. How many families were…

> How many "error's" does the US make? Usually it's measured in the ratio of civilian casualties to combatants, and as far as I remember, US is keeping this ratio exceptionally low in comparison to other conflicts. That's the key point here: your criticism applies to any war at all. War is hell, everybody knows that. To be objective in your judgement about US though, you have to quantatively compare different conflic…

where are you getting those numbers?

"Trump Revokes Obama-Era Rule on Disclosing Civilian Casualties From U.S. Airstrikes Outside War Zones"

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/trump-civilia...

Re: U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

#63
I wonder what the reasoning for this attack was. When they pulled the trigger, were they attempting to target a specific individual or groups? The article mentions that groups of IS were alleged to be using the fields for training. What kind of calculation of civilian casualties or risks goes into this decision? How do citizens of the US/Nato countries understand what that calculation is, or is that policy effectively out of the control of the populace at large, vested only in the wartime decisionmakers? Will there be any discussion of this or justification, or is that beyond the reporting responsibilities of the AP?

Re: U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

#64

This is how you create terrorists. What do you think the children and friends feelings towards the US will be from now on? People get radicalized for much less than that.

No it's not. These types of comments are extremely inappropriate. Your comment tries to suggest that: 1. Terrorists are people with legitimate grievances 2. Terrorists are representatives of oppressed people 3. Terrorists have genuine reasons for their actions All of these things are false. People do not turn into international, careless murderers just because they experience travesty. Terrorists exploit this concept…

Because your average farmer is obviously going to join up with a militia or terrorist group because of some abstract political thing like sanctions, which he probably has trouble even measuring in his day to life.

As opposed to your elected politicians and your military having blown up his daughter at her wedding, scattering her remains over a wide enough area that it is hard even finding anything to bury.

Makes sense.

The only way you're going to get someone mad enough for that, is if the militia you equipped happens to inflict similar cruelties, or you otherwise mess with his nation in a way that is more than just an inconvenience.

If the US imposed sanctions against my country, I'd just shrug. If the US killed my family members and I had no recourse...

Re: U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

#65

This is how you create terrorists. What do you think the children and friends feelings towards the US will be from now on? People get radicalized for much less than that.

Their feelings will be affected and rightly so, it is a tradegy. However the feelings of a few people about an error can not be the single parameter to decide if drone strikes are used. War have casualties. What about the feelings of the children and friends after 9.11, Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan, Nice, Stockholm, Trèbes, Paris, Liège and Strasbourg? I could go on. Of the 24 jihadist attacks in the EU in 2018, 10 occurr…

You are an ignorant coward. Pathetic uneducated loser

Re: U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their feelings will be affected and rightly so, it is a tradegy. However the feelings of a few people about an error can not be the single parameter to decide if drone strikes are used. War have casualties. What about the feelings of the children and friends after 9.11, Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan, Nice, Stockholm, Trèbes, Paris, Liège and Strasbourg? I could go on. Of the 24 jihadist attacks in the EU in 2018, 10 occurr…

How many "error's" does the US make? Far too many for them to be called "error's" anymore. How many kids were radicalised by the US going into Iraq and killing millions of their people? Tens of thousands of orphans, with an evil imperial army coming into their home, bombing their farms, raiding their homes, murdering civilians. Enough to create ISIS and radicalise thousands upon thousands more. How many families were…

> How many "error's"

It starts with grocer's apostrophes, but before long everyone's splitting infinitives.

Re: U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

#67

This is how you create terrorists. What do you think the children and friends feelings towards the US will be from now on? People get radicalized for much less than that.

No it's not. These types of comments are extremely inappropriate. Your comment tries to suggest that: 1. Terrorists are people with legitimate grievances 2. Terrorists are representatives of oppressed people 3. Terrorists have genuine reasons for their actions All of these things are false. People do not turn into international, careless murderers just because they experience travesty. Terrorists exploit this concept…

Sanctioned people are in a way oppressed people and their grievances may well be legitimate (i.e., "I had a nice family business and now my export targets are gone while I did nothing wrong.") Retaliation probably feels like a genuine reason for their actions too. Many sanctions hit the population while their government hardly feels it (they still have enough to eat, places to live etc.)

Re: U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

#68

Can someone explain to me how the US military is still unable to distinguish pine nut farmers from IS Jihadi terrorists? Where is all this advanced military tech I keep hearing the US military is developing that people are mistaking for aliens?

Yes, someone can but you'll need security clearance for that.

If we assume this was not intentional, then the two most probable causes are human or technical or any combination of both.

A drone can't land, open Skype and allow an interrogator to speak with the locals in their language- it flies high, have limited visibility and the interpretation of the incoming data is based on prior intelligence.

If you look at the pictures you'll see that pine nut farmers looks the same as IS Jihadi terrorists, both use civilian clothes and sometimes they are actually the same person.

Re: U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

#69

This is how you create terrorists. What do you think the children and friends feelings towards the US will be from now on? People get radicalized for much less than that.

No it's not. These types of comments are extremely inappropriate. Your comment tries to suggest that: 1. Terrorists are people with legitimate grievances 2. Terrorists are representatives of oppressed people 3. Terrorists have genuine reasons for their actions All of these things are false. People do not turn into international, careless murderers just because they experience travesty. Terrorists exploit this concept…

All those things you think are false are 100% absolutely true.

Terrorism is a political tactic coming from a power asymmetry and is labeled as such due to this power dynamic as a consequence of who controls the narrative.

Re: U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

#70
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Now imagine “U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in France” and feel the difference (which is non-existent). Then it goes on tv and reads the list of this morning’s evil men who must be stopped.

Or imagine "Taleban drone strike kills 30 farmers in Oklahoma". There would be a reaction!

Or Yemenis kill 30 Saudi date farm workers in Saud.

Or, God forbid, Iran kills 30 Saudis in Saud.

We've been exposed to so much propaganda that we instinctively know what is "worse", and who is "allowed" to kill without due process.

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