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Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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I don't mean to be rude but: why is this here? It would be a neat project to map out the changes in the types of stories and comments on HN over time. Over the years, HN has grown more and more in the direction of reddit front page and become less and less like an irc channel where people talk about technology.

Because it was HNers wanted it here?

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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I've been visiting Parks throughout the west for decades and have noticed the same thing. Its a virtual United Nations when you go into the Visitor's Center, gift shop, or restaurant. Personally, I think its great and love to show off what the US has that no other nation does. But, things like abusing the wildlife, putting themselves or others a risk because of stupid (and illegal) behaviors, and generally disrespect…

There were multiple times when we were either in a park visitor center or the RV park's pool and I realized I was the only American. It was all (in order) German, Dutch, and French. Everyone was really friendly and we made some good friends at the pools. But we kept noticing all the people doing dumb stuff at the national parks weren't Americans. Feeding squirrels, flying drones, climbing on stuff that wasn't safe, e…

If as you said Americans are outnumbered by European people it is not very surprising that most people spot doing silly things are European and not American ...

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would still read perplexingly. The Oxford comma isn't a tool for the inept; rather, the ept.

It's interesting how sometimes what appears to be a prefix, isn't.

That is an affront up with which I will not put.

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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Why could they not turn around and go back the way they came? I am not a hiker.

From reading http://theory.stanford.edu/~rvg/arroyo/ (warning: nudity) linked from the ropewiki page, when hiking from the top, this journey is a combination of hiking, wading along the river and floating down it. It sounds like lots of fun. Turning around at the waterfall means that they would have to hike back as well as swim upstream, possibly through rapids, to get back to their starting point. It could be next to impossible.

I could see this being an easy trap to be caught out by if you had limited exposure to conditions in the area, or even if you had checked weather conditions and missed a rainfall upstream while out hiking. While they might be ashamed of needing a rescue, they thankfully made a smart choice and this is a cool story rather than a search for bodies.

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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I went backpacking up arroyo seco with 2 friends on the same weekend. On our way into the campgrounds the rangers told us this story, we almost didn't believe them the story was so ridiculous on its face. Crazy to see this article in the news now.

Beautiful place to hike and camp, and if that's not your thing then check out the Tassajara zen center.

I wrote a trip recap here: https://roymurdock.com/blogs/2019/0722ventana.php

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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I really enjoyed this story. However I did struggle on one part: > Whitson, his 13-year-old son and girlfriend, Krystal Ramirez, had decided to spend Father's Day weekend backpacking the Arroyo Seco River. It took me longer to parse this sentence than I should perhaps admit to. The first couple of reads lead me to believe his son and girlfriend were the same person.

I'm still not sure whether it's the dad's girlfriend or the son's.

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I just returned from a three week RV trip to some of the national parks out west, including Death Valley. Two of the things I noticed were (1) Europeans outnumbered Americans in the RV parks and (2) Europeans seemed far more inclined to break the national park rules. At one point we were in a guided jeep tour in Canyonlands which is some seriously treacherous driving on cliffside switchbacks. An Escalade sped by us a…

I've been visiting Parks throughout the west for decades and have noticed the same thing. Its a virtual United Nations when you go into the Visitor's Center, gift shop, or restaurant. Personally, I think its great and love to show off what the US has that no other nation does. But, things like abusing the wildlife, putting themselves or others a risk because of stupid (and illegal) behaviors, and generally disrespect…

Most of the stupid things I've seen done in parks are by Americans. I encountered one European flying a drone in a national park. I told them the law and he stopped flying it and thanked me. That said I tend to avoid popular parks during tourist season because I hate crowds in outdoor places.

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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Among other reasons, this is why i have a contingency email draft that I have ready to go whenever I go out on a serious-ish hike, along these lines: “here’s who is going, this is our license plate, this is our gear, this is how much food we have, here’s a very rough itinerary; if i don’t update this email by such and such a time, contact the following SAR groups...”

This and a personal locator beacon and you have saved yourself and others a massive set of problems if anything goes wrong.

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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Why could they not turn around and go back the way they came? I am not a hiker.

From reading http://theory.stanford.edu/~rvg/arroyo/ (warning: nudity) linked from the ropewiki page, when hiking from the top, this journey is a combination of hiking, wading along the river and floating down it. It sounds like lots of fun. Turning around at the waterfall means that they would have to hike back as well as swim upstream, possibly through rapids, to get back to their starting point. It could be next t…

Just went to that waterfall in July. Even when water isn't flowing too fast that rope is hidden behind the water... you just have to pull it out. Another option is just ride the water down... 3 small waterfalls that end up in a deep pool so not too dangerous. My friend Scott did it without rope just for fun. He did get a bruised leg but otherwise no injuries.

Photos of the camping spot a few hours swim down from waterfall: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kgMRunAAVZ9ogJnP7

I'll add photos of the waterfall to that link later.

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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Why could they not turn around and go back the way they came? I am not a hiker.

From reading http://theory.stanford.edu/~rvg/arroyo/ (warning: nudity) linked from the ropewiki page, when hiking from the top, this journey is a combination of hiking, wading along the river and floating down it. It sounds like lots of fun. Turning around at the waterfall means that they would have to hike back as well as swim upstream, possibly through rapids, to get back to their starting point. It could be next t…

> It could be next to impossible.

Do you know this of assumed? Sounds difficult for sure, but is it possible?

I mean, if you had no way forward and had two options:

1) turn around

2) throw a bottle into the waterfall and hope

I would turn around (unless as you said, is actually impossible, but I haven't been able to find anything definitive on this)

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