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Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by rayiner » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 2:38 PM UTC

king_magic wrote: post #59

rayiner wrote: post #50

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You’re right, I was looking at a chart through 2016. Looks like about 120 this year. Still, the average is under 80 over the same period over which west Nile killed 100 per year on average. And the peak this year is still below the 284 killed by west Nile in one year.

There were 15 West Nile deaths in the US in 2019. It’s not even close to the same thing. https://www.cdc.gov/westnile/statsmaps/preliminarymapsdata20...

We don’t have full 2019 data. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Nile_virus_in_the_Unite...

> Since the virus has become widely established in the U.S., an average of 130 deaths a year occurred.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by king_magic » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 2:40 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #60

king_magic wrote: post #58

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So: “well, let’s just give up on preventing mass gun violence because it costs a money”? No, mine is really not a disingenuous argument. It’s the same thing: you’re saying it costs money to prevent a small fraction of society being horrible maimed or killed with guns. Same for airplanes. Please explain why it it better for society to minimize low-probability deaths in plane crashes at extremely high cost, but not mas…

Not cost as in money, cost as in depriving people of the freedom to own useful tools. Also, again, what’s with the appeal to emotion? “Sad?” Such words have no place in this debate. Cost-benefit analysis is how you should decide whether to spend other peoples’ money to do anything. As to the constitutional point: the second amendment is not up for a vote. While gun rights aren’t “unlimited,” the second amendment must…

There is very broad support for a judicial process to take away people’s guns if they pose a threat as well. If you think that is misguided, I invite you to do the exact same thing.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 2:45 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #61

king_magic wrote: post #59

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There were 15 West Nile deaths in the US in 2019. It’s not even close to the same thing. https://www.cdc.gov/westnile/statsmaps/preliminarymapsdata20...

We don’t have full 2019 data. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Nile_virus_in_the_Unite... > Since the virus has become widely established in the U.S., an average of 130 deaths a year occurred.

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Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by RaceWon » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 3:00 PM UTC

onion2k wrote: post #22

the_trapper wrote: post #3

I'm waiting for a politician to pass legislation requiring us to have the telescreens from 1984. We already have thought crimes, I mean red flag laws and no fly lists. People need to stop giving up their liberty and privacy for perceived safety. You're much more likely to be killed by an automobile than a mass shooting. This is the new flavor of scare tactic.

This is the new flavor of scare tactic. I'm British, and I find it really weird that Americans apparently live in abject terror of the world around them. The notion that anyone in Britain would ever need a deadly weapon to defend themselves is completely alien here. We just ... don't.

> The notion that anyone in Britain would ever need a deadly weapon to defend themselves is completely alien here. We just ... don't.

I'm American, and Your Country is The Sole reason why we will Not give Up our right to defend ourselves against any Government--And most Especially our own. We Just... Won't.

A quick look around the Globe at Nations that Enslave and/or Torture their Citizens because they can, because the peope are unarmed--is really the only modern day reason we need to Never give them up.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by RaceWon » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 3:03 PM UTC

king_magic wrote: post #57

MiroF wrote: post #53

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Let me flip this on you: I care about people who are dying because they don't have healthcare, not your dumb political games on guns. Sure, you can spend a year agitating for laws that will ultimately save a few hundred of people throughout the country, meanwhile people routinely die because they aren't paid a living wage, can't afford basic medication to survive, and can't afford shelter. If you're telling me I'm ab…

It’s profoundly sad that preventing hundreds of people being shot to death per year in the US in mass shootings somehow doesn’t quality for “helping society”. To me, yes, that is absurd. This happens nowhere else . It is insane. It’s not posturing: this is batshit crazy. And guess what, I’m also for expanded healthcare. I just don’t want that to have to include caring for even a fraction of the population having larg…

>It’s profoundly sad that preventing hundreds of people being shot to death per year in the US in mass shootings

Tell that to the MILLIONS of Unarmed North Koreans and Chinese in death camps.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by onion2k » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 3:32 PM UTC

RaceWon wrote: post #64

onion2k wrote: post #22

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This is the new flavor of scare tactic. I'm British, and I find it really weird that Americans apparently live in abject terror of the world around them. The notion that anyone in Britain would ever need a deadly weapon to defend themselves is completely alien here. We just ... don't.

> The notion that anyone in Britain would ever need a deadly weapon to defend themselves is completely alien here. We just ... don't. I'm American, and Your Country is The Sole reason why we will Not give Up our right to defend ourselves against any Government--And most Especially our own. We Just... Won't. A quick look around the Globe at Nations that Enslave and/or Torture their Citizens because they can, because t…

The reason you aren't enslaved or tortured isn't because you have guns.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by malandrew » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 4:14 PM UTC

the_trapper wrote: post #51

onion2k wrote: post #43

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Do those Americans who believe they need guns to form a militia genuinely think they could take on the US military in the need arose? In a battle between a thousand guys with AR-15s against a single M1 Abhrams tank my money would be on the tank.

Insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan have held up pretty well against the US military over all. Pervasive gun ownership in these countries prior to our involvement is a major part of this equation. I think a militia uprising in the US would fare even better because a substantial number of the members of said militia would have been trained by that very military they are fighting. I also believe that a substantial num…

There’s also a good chance that some, many or even most soldiers in the military would end up on the side of the insurgency. They oath is sworn to the Constitution, not the federal government.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by milesokeefe » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 4:14 PM UTC

mcny wrote: post #47

rayiner wrote: post #39

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Saying it louder doesn’t make the point less ridiculous. Mass shooting deaths have never exceeded 80 per year. Nobody is panicked about West Nile fever anymore, but it still causes 100+ deaths per year. You’d think engineers would be resistant to such blatant emotional manipulation, but I guess not.

Neil Degrasse Tyson tried to use reason. You can't use reason when it comes to things like this. Sure, on a macro level guns kill fewer people than cars do but there are smart people working hard to try to prevent deaths by cars*. Sure, we could and should do better. For example, why doesn't any SUV come standard with built in car seats in the back for infants and children? I watched a ted talk from back in 2009 whic…

>why doesn't any SUV come standard with built in car seats in the back for infants and children

Not every SUV buyer has children at car seat age. Those children will outgrow the need for car seats, at which point the built in car seats are wasting space that could be a regular seat.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by king_magic » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 5:16 PM UTC

RaceWon wrote: post #65

king_magic wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s profoundly sad that preventing hundreds of people being shot to death per year in the US in mass shootings somehow doesn’t quality for “helping society”. To me, yes, that is absurd. This happens nowhere else . It is insane. It’s not posturing: this is batshit crazy. And guess what, I’m also for expanded healthcare. I just don’t want that to have to include caring for even a fraction of the population having larg…

>It’s profoundly sad that preventing hundreds of people being shot to death per year in the US in mass shootings Tell that to the MILLIONS of Unarmed North Koreans and Chinese in death camps.

Some local police forces in the US have firepower comparable to some small nation’s militaries.

If any sort of true tyranny came to pass in the US, I don’t have much faith in a bunch of rag tag right wing militia men hiding in the woods fighting back with much success.

Re: AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings

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Post by RaceWon » Sun, Sep 08, 2019, 5:43 PM UTC

king_magic wrote: post #69

RaceWon wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It’s profoundly sad that preventing hundreds of people being shot to death per year in the US in mass shootings Tell that to the MILLIONS of Unarmed North Koreans and Chinese in death camps.

Some local police forces in the US have firepower comparable to some small nation’s militaries. If any sort of true tyranny came to pass in the US, I don’t have much faith in a bunch of rag tag right wing militia men hiding in the woods fighting back with much success.

> Some local police forces

60 MILLION gun owners... and they All have more than one gun. That's enough guns for Every Man Woman, and Child. Good Luck beating us ;)