How a deadly fall revealed CIA secrets

Post by ehecatl » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 9:47 AM UTC

jacobush wrote: post #49

bilbo0s wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe mind control from history books or whatever is not as efficient as you're thinking it is? Just speculating that if I was a military commander, yeah, I'd go for saturating a place with drugs to keep the people there from planting IED's way before I would trust history books to do so. Just strikes me as way more reliable. If history is any indication, using history books to get people to behave decently doesn't s…

Especially unreliable if you want people to do horrible things. Drugs may help you more then than books.

Post by RyanAF7 » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 10:06 AM UTC

cheez wrote: post #53

trhway wrote: post #47

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speaking about famous shooters, the MKULTRA doctors just happened to be around: https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/dec/19/mkruby/ "After he shot Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby’s psychosis was diagnosed by the same CIA doctor who had once killed an elephant with psychedelics" The same doctor happened to be around in the context of Charles Manson too : https://longreads.com/2019/06/27/a-manson-murder-investigati…

Sheesh, that is terrifying...

Post by RyanAF7 » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 10:19 AM UTC

acqq wrote: post #39

arminiusreturns wrote: post #31

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MKUltra was the US program that expounded on the research done by the Germans, Japanese, and Soviets (sometimes only programs we thought they were working on and started counter-programs which then spurred the creation of counter-counter-programs...) My take is that by about the late 80's, early 90's, they had finished most of the research and transitioned into implementation at mass scale, both domestically and inte…

"It has been verified by a source who claims she was there that then-CIA Director William Casey did in fact say the controversial and often-disputed line “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false,” reportedly in 1981." "In their propaganda today’s dictators rely for the most part on repetition, supression and rationalization – the repetition of catchwords…

Post by RyanAF7 » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 10:25 AM UTC

bilbo0s wrote: post #38

rdtsc wrote: post #32

> “Some of our people were out of control in those days,” Colby said. “They went too far. There were problems of supervision and administration.” That was in 1975 talking about the events in the 1950s. There is this idea that, well CIA might have gone a bit too far, but it was a long time ago. Hiring Nazi scientists, feeding people drugs, murdering, overthrowing governments, conducting torture sessions. That was in t…

> Today they just sit at their desks and type reports like nice little bored bureaucrats. What if they are just as evil and brutal today and we just don't know about it. Just throwing this out here, but what if it's both. They, like every other nation in the world, are evil and brutal, and the vast majority of them are just sitting at desks somewhere doing fairly mundane jobs. That's just the nature of a modern intel…

Post by keiru » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 11:27 AM UTC

krilly wrote: post #62

pseingatl wrote: post #11

Two other LSD targets of the CIA's program weren't mentioned in this excerpt. You've probably heard of them: Ted Kaczynski Charles Manson It is possible that neither would have committed their crimes but for their involvement in the CIA's mind experimentation programs. See, O'Neill, Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties (2019).

To my knowledge Ted Kaczynskis experiences with MKultra didn't involve any substances. He just sat in a chair while some folks screamed at him trying to aggressively undermine all of his views.