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Cost of owning a BMW i3

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Re: Cost of owning a BMW i3

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After 20 years, I'd expect it to be different. We have a '99 Honda CRV, and a significant chunk of the money we've paid for maintenance in the 12 yrs we've had it has been for the exhaust system. Over time, on any car, brakes will eventually need replacing, electrical bits will fail and need replacing, bits of your suspension will need replacing, and so on.

You expect owning an electric car to be different, yet Teslas also have the very systems you mention will wear out -- brakes, electric bits, etc -- making them comparably consumable to any ICE or hybrid, especially after 20 years of daily driving (like your CRV). I would imagine any car heavily dependent on advanced sensors and electronics to cost more to maintain than traditional cars, especially after the first few…

Yeah, but these days, _every_ car is coming along with complex electronic systems that will be expensive to maintain. Which is one of the reasons we keep our old Honda running.

The real question is: how are we going to maintain the geopolitical/industrial system necessary to keep gas flowing ? And why should we?

Re: Cost of owning a BMW i3

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Too bad, AFAIK, the i3 REX (with range extender gasoline engine) is hobbled by a tiny gasoline tank. The total range is something like 200 km: 100 electric and 100 gasoline. With my current car I can drive to the summer cottage and back with one tank. It's just carefree and convenient. With an i3, even when starting with full charge, one would have to tank about halfway each way. It is hard for me to understand such…

I mean, you can get a Tesla Model 3 long range for $47k that goes 310 miles on a charge and gains 200 miles on a half hour recharge at a supercharger. That seems... like more driving than I'd really ever do. (half hour is super easy to blow when you go pee, grab a coffee, check your email and social media... and keep in mind that's after like 4 hours of driving)

Sounds better. But it's so expensive. You can get a used i3 for 20k euros though. And I street park so the ICE is a good backup.

Re: Cost of owning a BMW i3

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post #54

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Yes, they stopped selling the REX. The i3 is still not a very attractive car for me and despite the good crash test results, it doesn't look safe to me. Here's the aftermath of a frontal crash vs. an old Cadillac that happened recently - both drivers dead: https://image.kurier.at/images/cfs_landscape_1864w_1049h/372...

This [1] seems to be the report including photos you are talking about. Not sure which image you linked here. Totally different story. [1] https://insideevs.com/news/328403/bmw-i3-vs-cadillac-cts-imp...

> This [1] seems to be the report including photos you are talking about.

No, you guessed wrong. The crash I mentioned happened 2 days ago: https://kurier.at/chronik/niederoesterreich/zwei-tote-in-moe...

I don't know why you bring up an old rear-ending when I mention a frontal crash...

Re: Cost of owning a BMW i3

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Their i3 isn't even an electric car, it's a hybrid with a petrol engine (range extender). The title claims the content is somehow about electric cars in general, but it's just one datapoint about one model and one owner. FWIW, my maintenance costs for almost 3 years with a Tesla S90D were so far: €290 for changing and storing winter tires. No repairs, no breakdowns so far, despite some abuse on italian country roads.…

Your cost should also include the price to set up a charging station at home. That costs $1500+ in the USA.

Re: Cost of owning a BMW i3

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Their i3 isn't even an electric car, it's a hybrid with a petrol engine (range extender). The title claims the content is somehow about electric cars in general, but it's just one datapoint about one model and one owner. FWIW, my maintenance costs for almost 3 years with a Tesla S90D were so far: €290 for changing and storing winter tires. No repairs, no breakdowns so far, despite some abuse on italian country roads.…

Your cost should also include the price to set up a charging station at home. That costs $1500+ in the USA.

Why? There are plenty of public chargers here and at my house I have a 380V 3-phase plug so I can charge at 11W.

Re: Cost of owning a BMW i3

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Too bad, AFAIK, the i3 REX (with range extender gasoline engine) is hobbled by a tiny gasoline tank. The total range is something like 200 km: 100 electric and 100 gasoline. With my current car I can drive to the summer cottage and back with one tank. It's just carefree and convenient. With an i3, even when starting with full charge, one would have to tank about halfway each way. It is hard for me to understand such…

The small gas tank was needed for the car to qualify for a California tax break as an electric car rather than being a hybrid.

https://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/28/why-the-bmw-i3-has-such-...

Re: Cost of owning a BMW i3

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I owned 2 different Chevy Volt's for a total of 5 years. The maintenance was normal tire wear. Aside from that, oil needed to be changed every 20,000 miles.

I never ran into a single maintenance issue other than the standard. It was the lowest maintenance vehicle I've ever owned.

Re: Cost of owning a BMW i3

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post #58

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After 10-15yr the Tesla (or any EV) will probably need a battery. After 20yr it is basically a certainty.

yet my 2001 tahoe ICE gas guzzler has required only oil changes, brakes and tires. 260k miles and it still goes strong, diesels easily get to 500k miles An interesting twist would be using a hydrogen fuel in an ICE.

The 4l60 in that Tahoe is on borrowed time. That's on the same order of cost magnitude as a battery.

For people who have to pay other people to do maintenance (i.e. most people) whether or not you buy a POS that eats suspension wear items for breakfast and how anal you are about getting every little scratch fixed will dominate long term cost. A couple grand for a battery or transmission spread out over more than a decade really isn't that much. Shelling out a grand every time your vehicle gets humped by a shopping cart will add up quick.

Re: Cost of owning a BMW i3

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You don't have to stick to the OEM tire. You can get a different, cheaper size, as long as it doesn't rub the wheel well or bottom out. And the exact tire and manufacturer you get, along with the conditions it was kept in, will determine the wear life of the tire. And when people complain about their tires wearing fast, it's often just badly aligned tires that could be fixed by going to a better mechanic. And buying…

>>You can get a different, cheaper size, as long as it doesn't rub the wheel well or bottom out. In the UK you have to tell your insurer if you do that and it can impact your insurance significantly in some cases. The best one I could find was with Aviva they allow 10mm variation in width of the tyre from the manufacturer spec, so if the original size was 225/45 you could buy 235/45 or 215/45, but anything beyond tha…

Why would you tell your insurer? They don't go around checking tire widths, afaik

Re: Cost of owning a BMW i3

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After 10-15yr the Tesla (or any EV) will probably need a battery. After 20yr it is basically a certainty.

yet my 2001 tahoe ICE gas guzzler has required only oil changes, brakes and tires. 260k miles and it still goes strong, diesels easily get to 500k miles An interesting twist would be using a hydrogen fuel in an ICE.

diesels easily get to 500k miles

They also cost on the order of five figures extra over gas engines.

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