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The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees

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Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees

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> Why would anyone prefer the shittier conditions under Obama than the better conditions under Trump? Because there are no reasonable standards under which the comparative description in your comment is true.

the funniest thing in the last few years was watching proggies get all foamy about trump over pictures of border hoppers in cages taken during the obama administration

keep pretending!

Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees

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Maybe I misunderstand Palantir's mission but working with LEOs like ICE seems to be their core business. All credit to these employees for standing up for what they believe in but what exactly did they think they were signing up for? I have a new coworker who wears his Palantir t-shirt and it makes me uncomfortable to even see the name in my office.

I am assuming ICE is "U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement". I am not from USA but why every comment here is implying ICE to be some evil thing.

Before 9/11 nothing. For the last two decades, it's almost like cruelty is a requirement to work in that dept. USCIS and CPB are still alright though.

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A great many expansions to the power of the state have been justified with the argument "this is to fight terror and child abuse" Perhaps they signed up naively imagining they were working on a tool that would be used for that and nothing else ?

It's definitely a weird company to work for if you don't believe in enforcing laws, or only partial enforcement of laws; especially border laws.

Or maybe the fact that ICE has been overabusing their authority to also detain US citizens for weeks at a time despite providing evidence of their citizenship has got people wondering if they're the baddies. In addition to, you know, the horrible treatment of asylum seekers incl. things such as not providing flu vaccines.

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Palantir is a software company right and sells tools to ICE? Does someone wearing an Excel shirt make you uncomfortable because ICE uses MSOffice? What about OSS projects like R and Python that also enable ICE to analyze data to find people. Is the expectation that Palantir should not sell software to ICE?

So you think there is no difference in guilt between being a war criminal’s arm dealer and being a war criminal’s grocer?

I might be really uneducated here - I'm not American. All I know about ICE is that they're immigration and customs enforcement - they're basically the US's border force. The quality of the conditions they keep migrants in is poor, and has been for years.

OK. Why is that worthy of a boycott? Your democratically elected governments create the laws, and determine the funding for things like beds and toys etc. Boycotts in some cases may make those conditions worse instead of better.

There will always need to be a border force. Wouldn't it be better to focus on improving conditions, increasing funding, and stopping people from crossing the border in the first place?

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Wait, what? Maybe I'm misreading this. Are you suggesting that what ICE is doing is good?

You mean enforcing the laws of the US and controlling the borders of the country? Yes, that is good. They are dealing with a situation largely created by the people illegally crossing the border. It's crazy to think that any country should maintain 4-star luxury housing sufficient to house the global population just in case. The reality is that the US is not being cruel or harming people. And ICE has upgraded the facilities in the years since the "children in cages" photos started popping up during the Obama administration. It is objectively true that the facilities are better and practices are improved. Are they something I want to live in? No. But on the other hand if people don't want to end up in detention, don't cross illegally. It's easy.

Not to mention that something like 30% of the "families" crossing the border have been shown by rapid DNA testing to be unrelated. Are we supposed to let any rando who happened to buy a child free access to the country?

Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees

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Maybe I misunderstand Palantir's mission but working with LEOs like ICE seems to be their core business. All credit to these employees for standing up for what they believe in but what exactly did they think they were signing up for? I have a new coworker who wears his Palantir t-shirt and it makes me uncomfortable to even see the name in my office.

> Maybe I misunderstand Palantir's mission

nope - just WaPo's use of selective editorial bias to paint problems endemic to both parties & us society in general to partisan ends.

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Fresh off the Resolute desk: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/trump-...

They could also let asylum seekers go, and allow them to live in the United States pending a hearing. That's what we've been doing until this administration. These aren't random people off the street, these are people with valid claims of asylum who have passed the credible fear interview administered by CBP. Almost all of them will stay in contact with the courts and go to all their appointments. The editorial also…

On top of that detention is the maximally cruel way to do things. IIRC something like 80-90% of people returned for their court dates under the old system where they were not detained anyways and even if you did think that number is too high there are other options like ankle monitors to ensure they could be tracked down.

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I am assuming ICE is "U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement". I am not from USA but why every comment here is implying ICE to be some evil thing.

Because they do stuff like this https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/border-patrol-agent-deta...

>Because they do stuff like this

So one border guard does something, and it's okay to say "they do things like this"?

Isn't that exactly the argument Trump makes about illegal immigrants comitting crimes?

Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees

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Maybe I misunderstand Palantir's mission but working with LEOs like ICE seems to be their core business. All credit to these employees for standing up for what they believe in but what exactly did they think they were signing up for? I have a new coworker who wears his Palantir t-shirt and it makes me uncomfortable to even see the name in my office.

Maybe I'm the weird one, but who would wear a t-shirt from your previous company to work at your current company? That just seems to send all the wrong signals.

It's also a way to flex. Same way people tend to wear alumni sweaters from Ivy League, Stanford level schools. I doubt you'd see anyone wearing an Infosys (or similarly viewed company) shirt in that kind of environment.
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