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Re: CutiePi – All-in-one Raspberry Pi tablet

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Post by cpburns2009 » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:22 PM UTC

penkia wrote: post #25

krn wrote: post #22

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Usually products are priced not based on the direct costs to produce them, but based on the value they provide to the end-user. What is the target price range you expect people to pay for such product, above which it wouldn't be worth producing?

As an open source project (we're not a company) we'll try our best, hope it won't affect by the trade tariff? :P For price range I would say kano computer kit touch or raspad tablet are all good products and provide good reference.

Those products appear to be priced around 250-280 USD. Would it be safe to say your product might be priced around 200-400 USD? I realize an exact price is premature and future tariffs could impact the price.

Re: CutiePi – All-in-one Raspberry Pi tablet

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Post by morcheeba » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:23 PM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #52

pjc5e wrote: post #47

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Component prices will usually be a very important factor when choosing which components to use. However, when you go into production and order parts from distributors, you will usually get special deals which can lower the price of your product. Problems can also appear if one of your single source components is out of stock, then you will have to wait (probably a long time) for it to get back in stock, choose an alt…

What does the grey market for components even look like? I can't think that anybody is bothering to steal individual components, so are we talking possibly-counterfeit parts?

The grey market doesn't mean stolen - it just means unauthorized distributors. Companies building a product will end up with excess parts -- either they bought too many to satisfy minimum purchases, or changed the design, or cancelled the product. They sell these parts to brokers, who then resell them. The way to avoid this is to limit sole-source suppliers and make sure there are backup plans (parts that fit with same footprint, etc.)

Re: CutiePi – All-in-one Raspberry Pi tablet

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:26 PM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #52

pjc5e wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Component prices will usually be a very important factor when choosing which components to use. However, when you go into production and order parts from distributors, you will usually get special deals which can lower the price of your product. Problems can also appear if one of your single source components is out of stock, then you will have to wait (probably a long time) for it to get back in stock, choose an alt…

What does the grey market for components even look like? I can't think that anybody is bothering to steal individual components, so are we talking possibly-counterfeit parts?

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Re: CutiePi – All-in-one Raspberry Pi tablet

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Post by TheRealPomax » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:26 PM UTC

penkia wrote: post #8

jasoneckert wrote: post #4

I like this project. However, I wish that under the FAQ for "What's the target price?" they had a better answer than "We'll know better in DVT stage, meanwhile please find the bill of materials in design files for detail." Who is going to Google each of the 89 components listed in the bill of materials to get a rough guess (since it doesn't list price info)?

hi, project creator penk here, thanks for the comment, "we don't know" is the honest answer we can give at this moment, since we hadn't ordered any parts. For your reference the first batch (10pcs) EVT boards is about ~90USD a piece: https://i.imgur.com/anUASlT.jpg

"we don't know" is not as good as "we don't know, but it won't be less than the material cost, which is currently X" would go a long way towards taking the people you want to get excited about this product seriously. We understand how "things cost money" works, but going "we don't know, figure it out yourself" is not a nice thing to tell people who are actually interested in what you're making =)

Even updating it to say "it will likely be in the $100-$200 range due to material cost and production fees" is fine: that's a _huge_ range, and still better than "we don't know, figure it out yourself".

Re: CutiePi – All-in-one Raspberry Pi tablet

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #52

pjc5e wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Component prices will usually be a very important factor when choosing which components to use. However, when you go into production and order parts from distributors, you will usually get special deals which can lower the price of your product. Problems can also appear if one of your single source components is out of stock, then you will have to wait (probably a long time) for it to get back in stock, choose an alt…

What does the grey market for components even look like? I can't think that anybody is bothering to steal individual components, so are we talking possibly-counterfeit parts?

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Re: CutiePi – All-in-one Raspberry Pi tablet

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Post by ryanmercer » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:28 PM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #52

pjc5e wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Component prices will usually be a very important factor when choosing which components to use. However, when you go into production and order parts from distributors, you will usually get special deals which can lower the price of your product. Problems can also appear if one of your single source components is out of stock, then you will have to wait (probably a long time) for it to get back in stock, choose an alt…

What does the grey market for components even look like? I can't think that anybody is bothering to steal individual components, so are we talking possibly-counterfeit parts?

>What does the grey market for components even look like? I can't think that anybody is bothering to steal individual components, so are we talking possibly-counterfeit parts?

So somewhat related, check out Strange Parts on YouTube. His past couple of few videos involve him building a Samsung Galaxy from components in Shenzhen and then having it x-rayed by a place that (as one of their functions) identifies counterfeit parts.

In the video with the x-ray they talk about reclaimed and counterfeit parts and you can see differences between what was supposed to be a real camera module and an actual real camera module in one of the x-rays.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO8DQrSp5yEP937qNqTooOw

Re: CutiePi – All-in-one Raspberry Pi tablet

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Post by blurbleblurble » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:28 PM UTC

This would be be awesome with a low latency e-ink display!

Re: CutiePi – All-in-one Raspberry Pi tablet

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Post by TheRealPomax » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:29 PM UTC

rchaud wrote: post #54

jasoneckert wrote: post #4

I like this project. However, I wish that under the FAQ for "What's the target price?" they had a better answer than "We'll know better in DVT stage, meanwhile please find the bill of materials in design files for detail." Who is going to Google each of the 89 components listed in the bill of materials to get a rough guess (since it doesn't list price info)?

> Who is going to Google each of the 89 components listed in the bill of materials to get a rough guess (since it doesn't list price info)? This is an open source product, and not consumer-grade in the least, so I imagine hobbyists wouldn't be opposed to doing that legwork.

As a hobbyist: I really am. Looking up the price for each component takes a lot of time, which I would much rather spend working on my hw/code projects.

Re: CutiePi – All-in-one Raspberry Pi tablet

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Post by goda90 » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:30 PM UTC

Reminds me of this project someone was working on: https://hackaday.io/project/164845-dlt-one-a-damn-linux-tabl...

They started off using the compute module, but ended up switching to the Nvidia Jetson Nano. Both of these projects make me wish for a world where a standard pin-out in this SODIMM format arises and we could see some inter-operable competition like we have with PC desktop parts.

Re: CutiePi – All-in-one Raspberry Pi tablet

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Post by onemoresoop » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:31 PM UTC

mlevental wrote: post #44

MarcScott wrote: post #16

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I've heard good things about https://remarkable.com

yes me too but that is basically as expensive as my dell tablet for just writing? it seems like to high a premium (yes i know i said i would kill).

Looks great but @ $499 in the US, the price is steep for experimentation. I'd love to rent one, see how it matches with me and then buy it in full. If this was under 200 I'd just risk buying and finding if I like it later.