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Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

Reason077 wrote: post #50
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a matter of scale though - filling up with gas is a 5 minute, once every two weeks activity. If you're filling up for 10 minutes every day or an hour a week, that's a hard sell.

Charging an EV is not really like filling up with gas. You need a slightly different mindset. You're not going to be waiting around constantly for your car to finish charging. In reality, you're charging at night while you're sleeping. Or charging at work while you're working. Or charging at the supermarket while you buy your groceries.

The article is about how people can't charge while they are at sleep. There's going to be a huge portion of people who can't charge at work. I guess you have to charge at groceries, which you'll need to go to every day. Though the grocery store will need to be dramatically refitted to support that, and will need to justify having a power grid the size of their parking lot increasing their power bill just because it's convenient for people. It's hard to justify why a grocery store would want to do that.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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Post by llamataboot »

Whatarethese wrote: post #27
microtherion wrote: post #18

Our neighborhood Teshole is solving the problem by parking across the sidewalk. They do have a garage, but that's for storing their other car.

Teshole? You sound reasonable

To be fair, blocking the sidewalk with your car is pretty much the definition of a jerk move.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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Post by cornellwright »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #20

This is why we need standard, swappable battery packs. You pull into a "filling station" and a robot pulls your used pack and pops in a new one. 5 minutes, in and out. Sad thing is, this isn't a new idea. People just don't seem to want it.

Hopefully one day flow batteries [1] will be efficient enough where you can pull into an electrolyte station and swap out your discharged (liquid) electrolyte for charged electrolyte.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_battery

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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Post by AshleyGrant »

dmitrygr wrote: post #52
rootusrootus wrote: post #6

Why does everyone need a place to charge at home? Sure, it is one of the big advantages of an EV, but not everyone can take advantage of it. If the car has a 300-400 mile range, then charge it like you fuel up a gas-powered car. Takes a little bit longer, but that will improve over time.

A little longer? What am I going to do at a gas station for an hour? I am already bored when I am there for 3 minutes with an ICE car...

A) It doesn't take an hour to charge an EV unless you're charging past 90%, which isn't typically done as it hurts the battery.

B) You're bored b/c you have to stand next to the pump waiting for it to finish. This isn't a problem with EV charging. Go get a coffee or read a book.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

spenrose wrote: post #33

The chargers are cheap and getting much faster and will be deployed everywhere you can run an electric line: https://twitter.com/sampenrose/status/1152625267589840896

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1152625267589840896.html

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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Post by AshleyGrant »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #47
Reason077 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The latest generation of cars and chargers don't need an hour to charge. A Tesla Model 3 can already charge at 250 kW, which is over 1000 miles per hour. Practically speaking, that means a decent charge in less than 20 minutes. On a long trip, most stops for gas take around that long anyway by the time you use the restroom, buy supplies, eat, etc. The newest chargers being installed today go up to 350 kW, so the char…

I buy the "use the restroom, buy the supplies, eat" argument for long road-trips, where it's probably a good idea to stop for 30 min to relax. But not for the fill-up during your commute to/from work when you can't charge at home.

Put the fast chargers at shopping centers.. Unless the car is run down to nearly a dead battery, it won't need but about 20 minutes on the charger. That's about how long a short trip to the grocery store takes.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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Post by e40 »

microtherion wrote: post #18

Our neighborhood Teshole is solving the problem by parking across the sidewalk. They do have a garage, but that's for storing their other car.

Call the parking department of your local PD. They will gladly write a ticket to that Teshole. I've seen the same in my 'hood, and it's highly annoying.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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Post by AshleyGrant »

lonelappde wrote: post #36
ecpottinger wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since it does not take an hour to charge for a normal drive, maybe you are the one with bad timing. If a person is driving 30 miles or less a day they only need less than 10 minutes charging to get by.

Taking your car to the fuel station every day is a nuisance. ICE cars only need to go about once a week.

And most people can get by with charging a current gen long range EV once a week if they don't have a charger at their residence.

Not everyone, but most people drive less than 250 miles a week.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

AshleyGrant wrote: post #66
davrosthedalek wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I buy the "use the restroom, buy the supplies, eat" argument for long road-trips, where it's probably a good idea to stop for 30 min to relax. But not for the fill-up during your commute to/from work when you can't charge at home.

Put the fast chargers at shopping centers.. Unless the car is run down to nearly a dead battery, it won't need but about 20 minutes on the charger. That's about how long a short trip to the grocery store takes.

Is it feasible to put in hundreds of high voltage chargers?

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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Post by derp_dee_derp »

llamataboot wrote: post #62
Whatarethese wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teshole? You sound reasonable

To be fair, blocking the sidewalk with your car is pretty much the definition of a jerk move.

its also illegal in pretty much every jurisdiction that i've ever lived in
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