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Re: Food is free if you know where to look

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Post by atonse » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

morganvachon wrote: post #30

saboot wrote: post #19

I see it has listed a fruit tree in my yard... Is there a way to revoke that? I've given permission to my neighbors to pick as long as they knock, not to randoms.

Around 2000-2001 I rented a house in the small town where I grew up, and there was a plum tree in the yard. I mentioned to the landlord that I had been approached by the neighborhood kids asking if they could harvest from the tree, and the landlord said he had no problem with it if I didn't mind (that was his arrangement with the last renter). Kudos to the kids for asking first, and at first I didn't mind, but they e…

This is insane. I can't imagine my kids going into someone's private property, climbing on their car, and then somehow defending them.

Do people not teach their kids manners anymore? Or the idea that you aren't the center of the world? Or that when you touch, climb, etc someone else's property, you always ask first, and if the answer is no, then so be it?

Re: Food is free if you know where to look

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Post by morganvachon » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

atonse wrote: post #61

morganvachon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Around 2000-2001 I rented a house in the small town where I grew up, and there was a plum tree in the yard. I mentioned to the landlord that I had been approached by the neighborhood kids asking if they could harvest from the tree, and the landlord said he had no problem with it if I didn't mind (that was his arrangement with the last renter). Kudos to the kids for asking first, and at first I didn't mind, but they e…

This is insane. I can't imagine my kids going into someone's private property, climbing on their car, and then somehow defending them. Do people not teach their kids manners anymore? Or the idea that you aren't the center of the world? Or that when you touch, climb, etc someone else's property, you always ask first, and if the answer is no, then so be it?

When I was a kid growing up in the same town (different neighborhood), we would play hide and seek and similar games in the back yards of all the houses on our street except the one couple who didn’t have kids and asked us not to. We had no problem respecting their property, as we had plenty of other yards to play in.

I think it was mostly a “how dare this stranger tell our kids what to do” situation as the previous renter had apparently never had issues with the kids in his yard. I didn’t either until they damaged my truck, and I didn’t expect that kind of reaction from the parents. It sucked but it was a good life lesson.

Re: Food is free if you know where to look

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Post by sct202 » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 2:35 PM UTC

marble-drink wrote: post #39

I always wonder why projects like this don't use OpenStreetMap. Public (and private) fruit sources could actually be added to OSM itself.

Especially considering the API costs of using Google maps now. I'm assuming they're getting free credits, but the list price per 1k loads is $7 so hopefully they're getting a lot for free.

Re: Food is free if you know where to look

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Post by Allower » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 2:37 PM UTC

atonse wrote: post #61

morganvachon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Around 2000-2001 I rented a house in the small town where I grew up, and there was a plum tree in the yard. I mentioned to the landlord that I had been approached by the neighborhood kids asking if they could harvest from the tree, and the landlord said he had no problem with it if I didn't mind (that was his arrangement with the last renter). Kudos to the kids for asking first, and at first I didn't mind, but they e…

This is insane. I can't imagine my kids going into someone's private property, climbing on their car, and then somehow defending them. Do people not teach their kids manners anymore? Or the idea that you aren't the center of the world? Or that when you touch, climb, etc someone else's property, you always ask first, and if the answer is no, then so be it?

Have you worked with adults these days? They are actually children with no manners, its truly horrifying that these folks are rearing the next generation.

Re: Food is free if you know where to look

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 2:42 PM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #55

morganvachon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Around 2000-2001 I rented a house in the small town where I grew up, and there was a plum tree in the yard. I mentioned to the landlord that I had been approached by the neighborhood kids asking if they could harvest from the tree, and the landlord said he had no problem with it if I didn't mind (that was his arrangement with the last renter). Kudos to the kids for asking first, and at first I didn't mind, but they e…

Sounds like half the story. It'd be interesting to hear the other half.

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Re: Food is free if you know where to look

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 2:53 PM UTC

morganvachon wrote: post #60

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like half the story. It'd be interesting to hear the other half.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at, that is what happened. The only thing to add is that a few years later I noticed the house had been torn down and all the trees and bushes cleared off the lot. I have no idea of the circumstances surrounding that.

I'm just guessing the talk with the kids might have gone a little different than what was recounted. Sounds all rational and even-tempered. Perhaps some scolding or yelling was involved. We always remember ourselves as being perfectly polite in recounting stories.

Re: Food is free if you know where to look

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Post by MegaDeKay » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 2:57 PM UTC

The "About" section [0] of the site has the bio's of the people involved with the project. From there, there is a link to a free download to a 166 page PDF of David Craft's book on Urban Foraging [1].

[0] https://fallingfruit.org/about?c=forager%2Cfreegan&locale=en

[1] https://fallingfruit.org/docs/David%20Craft%20-%20Urban%20Fo...

Re: Food is free if you know where to look

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Post by technothrasher » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 3:22 PM UTC

morganvachon wrote: post #30

saboot wrote: post #19

I see it has listed a fruit tree in my yard... Is there a way to revoke that? I've given permission to my neighbors to pick as long as they knock, not to randoms.

Around 2000-2001 I rented a house in the small town where I grew up, and there was a plum tree in the yard. I mentioned to the landlord that I had been approached by the neighborhood kids asking if they could harvest from the tree, and the landlord said he had no problem with it if I didn't mind (that was his arrangement with the last renter). Kudos to the kids for asking first, and at first I didn't mind, but they e…

I recall a reasonably similar incident when I was a kid, where we were taking fruit, with permission, from a farmer's trees and setting up a little roadside table to sell it from. We damaged his fence and he told us to screw off. I ran home and complained to my father, who said, "Yeah, that's not right at all, I'll talk to him." I thought I was golden and that mean old guy was gonna get what was coming to him. It was only the next morning when my dad sent me back off to that farm that I learned he wasn't telling the farmer off, he was telling the farmer we'd be back to work the fields for a day to pay him back for being little shits.

Re: Food is free if you know where to look

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Post by asdkhadsj » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 3:25 PM UTC

tasuki wrote: post #49

catmanjan wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how would you feel if someone stole your car? that is private property

Oh of course I'd be upset! (I don't have a car, but will entertain your theoretical scenario.) If someone stole fruit from my tree I'd be upset too!

I'm so lost; what is your point?

Re: Food is free if you know where to look

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Post by hollerith » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 3:28 PM UTC

I'm going to be the cynic here and assign a high probability that eventually the insiders running the site will keep the really good spots to themselves, e.g., make it so that information about the really good spots is visible to the user id or IP address that uploaded the information and to the insiders, but not to the general public.

In the 1994, the last time I had information about them, the employees of the San Francisco Food Bank felt free to take any of the donations with the result that the clients of the Food Bank got whatever the employees did not want.