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Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

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post #38

Here's an idea. Stop using twitter.

yeah, and what about the other millions of web properties inundating your web browser with JS that tracks, beacons, analyzes, and whatever the hell else? unless you want to replace your comment with "stop using the web" you'd be way better off getting on the spectrum of defending yourself to an obviously hostile world, with things like uBlock Origin, pihole, $increasing_complexity, and so forth

Ooh. What's pihole and $increasing_complexity?

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

#62
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, and what about the other millions of web properties inundating your web browser with JS that tracks, beacons, analyzes, and whatever the hell else? unless you want to replace your comment with "stop using the web" you'd be way better off getting on the spectrum of defending yourself to an obviously hostile world, with things like uBlock Origin, pihole, $increasing_complexity, and so forth

Ooh. What's pihole and $increasing_complexity?

Pihole is DNS level network wide blocking on a Raspberry Pi. It's brilliant.

https://pi-hole.net/

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

#63

There is no shortage of good reasons to block ads. Passive ads no longer exist, if they ever did. They are all actively exploiting, tracking, and selling you- even if you never interact with them. Some might say, "Stop using twitter", but how is any American supposed to do that when the President of the United States uses it as his platform? Beyond Twitter, there is no shortage of school systems, police departments,…

I'm an american who is not on twitter. We have these things called news outlets, newspapers, and so forth. Apparently these places take an interest in what the president does. weird, I know...

Are you saying Americans can live without seeing the president rant on Twitter? I wonder if I can do my own research that's greater than 140 characters...

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

#64

There is no shortage of good reasons to block ads. Passive ads no longer exist, if they ever did. They are all actively exploiting, tracking, and selling you- even if you never interact with them. Some might say, "Stop using twitter", but how is any American supposed to do that when the President of the United States uses it as his platform? Beyond Twitter, there is no shortage of school systems, police departments,…

Blocking ads won't stop your info from being shared during the auction. That's a back end data transfer.

Depends on the block really. If you are using a blocker that just removes it from the UI, then yes the auction is still occurring. If you are blocking the JS code from even executing, then no data is transmitted. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding things, if the code doesn't run, then nothing happens.

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

#65

So there are essentially remnants of our browsing history linked to our devices shared among numerous ad companies. They then serve relevant ads for us all over the web depending on where they are being paid to display relevant ads. Twitter is at it. We've experienced the same behavior from Google & God knows Facebook is at it too. I've even had conversations where the only connection we had to the web was our locall…

I'm confused. If this technology is so pervasive and supposedly efficient, why do I always get such terrible ads, completely irrelevant to my interests? Usually the only targeted ads I get are ads for products I was searching for to buy, but usually they show up after I bought the product, so, no, I am not going to buy a new fridge within few years anyway.

Part:

- Confirmation bias. You remember the irrelevant ads, because they made you do a double take, they stood out as unusual.

- The terrible ads are actually effective at getting clicks from people with similar interests, but less of an aversion to ads, less ad-blindness due to depression, more willing to buy online, ...

- Especially with retargeting (what you describe with the fridge), the CTR is higher than with non-retargeted ads. But it is also one of the most visible forms of advertisement (everyone has a story similar to you, where they get followed by ads after looking at cars or fridges).

The online ad industry fuels the likes of Google and Facebook. Tremendous engineering and research effort goes into making these systems more efficient. Personalization and tracking of preferences is at the state of the art for these companies. Though not the potential best, it is close to the best possible we can do with ML right now.

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

#66

So there are essentially remnants of our browsing history linked to our devices shared among numerous ad companies. They then serve relevant ads for us all over the web depending on where they are being paid to display relevant ads. Twitter is at it. We've experienced the same behavior from Google & God knows Facebook is at it too. I've even had conversations where the only connection we had to the web was our locall…

It's not a technological problem. Only laws supported by painful enforcement could stop the flood of shit that adtech unleashes on the world. If you promise people to torture them with ads and sell all their data they'll come in droves because they get something for “free”. Some people even pay money for it.

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

#67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How reliable is the keyword detection? Last week we had this story about Apple where Siri heard the word "Siri" out of random noise like creaking furniture.

My point exactly. Just last night myself and my girlfriend were talking and Alexa decided to activate itself without us saying Alexa first.

Alexa rarely, but quite regularly activates from my TV in the same room.

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

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There is no shortage of good reasons to block ads. Passive ads no longer exist, if they ever did. They are all actively exploiting, tracking, and selling you- even if you never interact with them. Some might say, "Stop using twitter", but how is any American supposed to do that when the President of the United States uses it as his platform? Beyond Twitter, there is no shortage of school systems, police departments,…

I'm an american who is not on twitter. We have these things called news outlets, newspapers, and so forth. Apparently these places take an interest in what the president does. weird, I know...

A) Almost all websites from newspapers and other outlets have many of the same advertising problems on them.

In fact, I would imagine sites like twitter have more control over the ads placed on them than many websites for local papers.

B) Whenever announcements or tweets or other newsworthy events are reported in the paper, I still like to go to the primary source to get the full context.

So, the solution you propose really is an incomplete solution that doesn't address the problem.

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

#69

"We are committed to providing you meaningful privacy choices" -> "We are committed to selling your data if you let us" I hate this sort of pseudo-friendly weasel-wording that's getting increasingly popular these days.

My favorite is from Amazon, when selling Prime.

"We are sorry to hear that you do not want FREE two day shipping."

It really agitates me. I wish it didn't bother me so much but it cuts pretty deep sometimes.

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

#70

There is no shortage of good reasons to block ads. Passive ads no longer exist, if they ever did. They are all actively exploiting, tracking, and selling you- even if you never interact with them. Some might say, "Stop using twitter", but how is any American supposed to do that when the President of the United States uses it as his platform? Beyond Twitter, there is no shortage of school systems, police departments,…

All I ever hear is the media reporting what Trump says on Twitter. It's not like you have to actually be on it to know.
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