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Re: Picking the FB50 smart lock

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Smashing a window is unnessecary noise. I've been burgled 4 times in my life, all 4 were either jimmied window or jimmied door (usually a screwdriver as a prying tool).

4 times? Where do you live just out of interest?

Why? You looking to make it 5 times?

Re: Picking the FB50 smart lock

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Smashing a window is unnessecary noise. I've been burgled 4 times in my life, all 4 were either jimmied window or jimmied door (usually a screwdriver as a prying tool).

4 times? Where do you live just out of interest?

I don't live there any more, but 3 times were Middlesbrough UK, the 4th was in Mountain View, CA.

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I’ve been getting into home automation recently and I’ve given myself a rule: nothing cloud connected. If I can’t run it off my local server, I don’t want it. I have much more motivation to secure my home than any company ever will.

Yup, totally agree. One thing I have found is that many of these devices use the venerable and cheap ESP8266 chip which is extraordinarily easy to hack. It can't really be factory flashed so the programming pins are almost always padded out on the PCB. So I get WeMo or cheap knock offs for example, and reflash 'em with my own code so it basically is only on my wifi network.

Yup, that’s what’s in my Sonoff switch. I love the ESP8266, it’s the reason I got a serial programming cable in the first place, long before I was interested in home automation.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, totally agree. One thing I have found is that many of these devices use the venerable and cheap ESP8266 chip which is extraordinarily easy to hack. It can't really be factory flashed so the programming pins are almost always padded out on the PCB. So I get WeMo or cheap knock offs for example, and reflash 'em with my own code so it basically is only on my wifi network.

Yup, that’s what’s in my Sonoff switch. I love the ESP8266, it’s the reason I got a serial programming cable in the first place, long before I was interested in home automation.

I pretty much based my home automation on Sonoff devices. I use Espurna and it's fantastic, and I wrote a small server for updates. I compile my custom firmware (so I don't have to set up new devices all the time, I just flash and they're ready), drop it on a directory on my NAS and all the devices in the house automatically update themselves.

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I’ve been getting into home automation recently and I’ve given myself a rule: nothing cloud connected. If I can’t run it off my local server, I don’t want it. I have much more motivation to secure my home than any company ever will.

Exactly. I have hard time finding automated vacuum cleaner that doesnt connect to cloud, do you have some suggestion for vacuum cleaner that doesnt suffer on features?

There are lot of robotic vacuum cleaners that do not need to be connected to the Wi-Fi. Eufy 11S by Anker is one example

Re: Picking the FB50 smart lock

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> DO NOT. Ever. Buy. A smart lock. You’re better off with the “dumb” ones with keys. Well, physical locks are not necessary harder to pick lock than electronic locks. Buy your self a pick lock set, practice a bit and be amazed how many locks you can pick.

I think you'll be surprised. You should watch some of these videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm9K6rby98W8JigLoZOh6FQ - choose any one of his videos. It'll be picked in under a minute.

LPL is one of the best pickers in the world. He's one of about 10 people I know of who's ever picked a Mul-T-Lock MT5+, for example. His picking attacks are by no means typical. He also practices picking each lock before making the pick on video. That makes for better (faster) video, but is less real-world. Bosnianbill does more real-world style picking (and is only very slightly behind LPL in skill).

LPL's real good videos are his physical attacks. Whether it's twisting, core pulling, or breaking out the Ramset, all are more likely than a criminal trying to SPP a lock.

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If someone picks a "dumb lock" and steals all of your belongings, does the manufacturer have any liability? What if someone picks your "smart lock"?

Home owners insurance typically covers theft of personal belongings.

Yeah but after that? How often do insurance companies go after the "dumb" lock manufacturer? Could the same be said about "smart" lock manufacturers? I would guess that this idea of a lawsuit against one of these companies is only an issue of "when" not "if".
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