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Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
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Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
the point cloud viewer which cardigan also had to point out was produced by someone at scale, and not nuScene? pretty inconvenient for you when workers want their efforts recognised, and not just thought of as capital for you to push around however you please, huh?
That’s a strange take on this. Not all staff are authorized to speak on the company’s behalf. That’s true almost anywhere I’ve worked. Your efforts cannot always be recognized externally. NDAs and various other types of contracts commonly outline that.
that's a strange response. i'm already clearly critiquing the dominant paradigm, capitalism. why would you just itemise a bunch of conventions from this paradigm, which i likely disagree with?
do you need hn to be an agreeable echo chamber for you?
capitalism depends on people not thinking thoroughly about the "deal" they are being drawn into. i'm here to harm this situation.
Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#63(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…
Hi, I'm the CEO of Scale.ai. This comment does not represent the company's viewpoint, and cardigan is not speaking on behalf of Scale. We are very excited to have been able to work with Lyft in open-sourcing this dataset and advancing the research community. We are also very grateful to Lyft for choosing to leverage our point cloud viewer and have credited the annotations to us on their launch page.
Under the bus they go!
Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
the point cloud viewer which cardigan also had to point out was produced by someone at scale, and not nuScene? pretty inconvenient for you when workers want their efforts recognised, and not just thought of as capital for you to push around however you please, huh?
That’s a strange take on this. Not all staff are authorized to speak on the company’s behalf. That’s true almost anywhere I’ve worked. Your efforts cannot always be recognized externally. NDAs and various other types of contracts commonly outline that.
This isn’t really about employee recognition. The whole comment was about attribution for the company and marketing the partnership with Scale. Which is pretty standard in some business arrangements but which wasn’t the case here, which the employee wasn’t aware of and turned out to not that big of a deal for scale. Plenty of companies work in the background supporting other. Businesses and don’t always need attribution.
OP is trying to pigeonhole this into some sort of anti capitalist diatribe by trying to make it about individual employees wanting recognition and some big evil company is treating them like invisible cogs in the machine... which doesn’t make much sense since he asked for the company itself to be attributed, not individuals. It’s up to the company to reward and recognize employee contributions, not in some 3rd party partners announcements.
Plus he was always free to comment how he helped work on it or letting people know Scale had a role in helping make it (which are both common on HN). Only if the parent company tried to suppress that would this argument make any sense. But I don’t know why I’m bothering to counter such a position.
Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#65(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…
Hi, I'm the CEO of Scale.ai. This comment does not represent the company's viewpoint, and cardigan is not speaking on behalf of Scale. We are very excited to have been able to work with Lyft in open-sourcing this dataset and advancing the research community. We are also very grateful to Lyft for choosing to leverage our point cloud viewer and have credited the annotations to us on their launch page.
This is pretty effective marketing... generate some fake controversy over some small slight and have it go viral on HN.
Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmmm. I wonder how much fun lawyers will have arguing about whether that "NC" clause means a model trained on this data cannot be used commercially by the researcher who built it?
I would guess (I'm not a lawyer) that a commercial model would be in the clear as long as the company doesn't release anything including the data itself. Model weights that are derived from the data are not the data. I would make an analogy where the training data is like a textbook. If I read in a textbook about how to design/build a bridge, I don't have to give royalties to the textbook author when my civil enginee…
I disagree. The license specifies that "using the material for commercial purposes" is prohibited. The act of training a commercial model is obviously a commercial purpose. Whether or not the data is somehow incorporated into the resulting model is irrelevant.
You're confusing this CC license with open source licenses that do not restrict use but require derived works to be created/distributed under certain conditions. This CC license restricts use, in that you are not allowed to use the data for any commercial purpose - this is totally different from open source, and more like the "academic use only" licenses which used to be more common.
Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hi, I'm the CEO of Scale.ai. This comment does not represent the company's viewpoint, and cardigan is not speaking on behalf of Scale. We are very excited to have been able to work with Lyft in open-sourcing this dataset and advancing the research community. We are also very grateful to Lyft for choosing to leverage our point cloud viewer and have credited the annotations to us on their launch page.
This is pretty effective marketing... generate some fake controversy over some small slight and have it go viral on HN.
(I work in marketing at scale)
Thank you.
(I don't really)
Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
the point cloud viewer which cardigan also had to point out was produced by someone at scale, and not nuScene? pretty inconvenient for you when workers want their efforts recognised, and not just thought of as capital for you to push around however you please, huh?
That’s a strange take on this. Not all staff are authorized to speak on the company’s behalf. That’s true almost anywhere I’ve worked. Your efforts cannot always be recognized externally. NDAs and various other types of contracts commonly outline that.
I would be surprised if many people here really just assumed that a pseudonymous user chatting with us in the HN comments was speaking on behalf of the company in an official capacity. I mean, obviously there are legal niceties to be observed and he should have appended the usual disclaimers, blah blah blah, but we do have common sense here right?
Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#69(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…
Hi, I'm the CEO of Scale.ai. This comment does not represent the company's viewpoint, and cardigan is not speaking on behalf of Scale. We are very excited to have been able to work with Lyft in open-sourcing this dataset and advancing the research community. We are also very grateful to Lyft for choosing to leverage our point cloud viewer and have credited the annotations to us on their launch page.
> I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement
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Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a strange take on this. Not all staff are authorized to speak on the company’s behalf. That’s true almost anywhere I’ve worked. Your efforts cannot always be recognized externally. NDAs and various other types of contracts commonly outline that.
I would be surprised if many people here really just assumed that a pseudonymous user chatting with us in the HN comments was speaking on behalf of the company in an official capacity. I mean, obviously there are legal niceties to be observed and he should have appended the usual disclaimers, blah blah blah, but we do have common sense here right?
No, people don't have common sense. People should not post publicly on behalf of their employer without running it by a manager. This is lesson one at every major corporate introduction and I now understand why, because people don't have common sense.