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Re: Respawn will deal with Apex Legends cheaters by making them fight each other

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Post by syntheticcdo » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 4:52 AM UTC

insomniacity wrote: post #12

Can someone explain how these strategies aren't standard across online games by now? They've been around for years, but it's always a big deal when a game adds them.

Not necessarily about cheating, but a good Riot Games post in the past dealt with their attitude toward creating a "Prisoner's Island" for toxic players:

https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/01/ask-riot-ban...

Re: Respawn will deal with Apex Legends cheaters by making them fight each other

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Post by pontifier » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 4:59 AM UTC

tareqak wrote: post #28

egypturnash wrote: post #13

I hope they are also keeping separate rankings for cheaters, that would be pretty cool. "I'm currently the #5 player in the cheater zone of Apex." Heck, embrace it: don't call it the cheater rankings, call it the tool-assisted rankings, by analogy with "tool-assisted speedruns". Tag people at the end of the game with which particular cheats you detected. Pop up a polite notice that "We have noticed that you seem to b…

That sounds sort of like the Olympics but for steroid-users.

There's a SNL sketch about that: https://youtu.be/jAdG-iTilWU

Re: Respawn will deal with Apex Legends cheaters by making them fight each other

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Post by o_p » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 5:30 AM UTC

So they are admiting defeat :^)

This will not stop the subtle cheaters though, in a game like Apex you could even drop the aimbot and only use the information advantage of a wallhack. Good times to sell cheats

Re: Respawn will deal with Apex Legends cheaters by making them fight each other

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Post by krageon » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 6:04 AM UTC

zrobotics wrote: post #43

Reedx wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be really interesting! Although it'd be like offering a gym for cheaters, heh. A place for them to hone cheating tools and techniques that would end up back in the regular game. But could avoid that if a game embraced it holistically, where the default is tool-assisted and anything goes.

Isn't one of the hardest parts of making these tools evading detection? An aimbot isn't that tremendously difficult to create, the hard part is creating an aimbot that is hard to differentiate from a skilled player. If the competition is all using assists, then the sneaky aimbot that simulates slower human reflexes will lose to the bot that positions the sights directly on the opponent in <0.1ms. I like this idea, I…

Even in the very old days it was more of a balancing act: It's not super difficult to make it undetectable, but it will be slower. Slower means that you will always lose to the more detectable variants that somehow still manage to evade the technical filter (but not the people filter). The second segment will of course eventually get banned, but in the meantime you will keep losing to them.

Re: Respawn will deal with Apex Legends cheaters by making them fight each other

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Post by afiori » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 7:15 AM UTC

csa wrote: post #58

afiori wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly the nature of the game doesn't allow for this, you cannot just spin up more matches in PoGO. But on this I am very critical of how Niantic is handling both Pokemon GO and wizard Unite

What is your issue with WU? I can’t see scripting really impacting the play of others (at least not yet).

the energy system, it is almost impossible not to periodically end energy and have to grind at inns to continue playing as everything needs energy in the game.

In comparison in PoGO if you finish one category of scarce items you still have many part of the game you can play in (e.g. with no pokéball you can still fight in gym and raids)

Re: Respawn will deal with Apex Legends cheaters by making them fight each other

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Post by scotty79 » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 8:09 AM UTC

egypturnash wrote: post #13

I hope they are also keeping separate rankings for cheaters, that would be pretty cool. "I'm currently the #5 player in the cheater zone of Apex." Heck, embrace it: don't call it the cheater rankings, call it the tool-assisted rankings, by analogy with "tool-assisted speedruns". Tag people at the end of the game with which particular cheats you detected. Pop up a polite notice that "We have noticed that you seem to b…

Yes. It also navigates around the problem of "I payed this much money for this game and now I can't play it ever because I possibly broke some rule. Maybe not, maybe autobanning tool was just overzealous with me. Now what?"

Re: Respawn will deal with Apex Legends cheaters by making them fight each other

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Post by supermatt » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 8:11 AM UTC

egypturnash wrote: post #13

I hope they are also keeping separate rankings for cheaters, that would be pretty cool. "I'm currently the #5 player in the cheater zone of Apex." Heck, embrace it: don't call it the cheater rankings, call it the tool-assisted rankings, by analogy with "tool-assisted speedruns". Tag people at the end of the game with which particular cheats you detected. Pop up a polite notice that "We have noticed that you seem to b…

Many moons ago I made a "chatroulette" application for the reddit community. It was surprisingly popular, but was plagued by your typical penis flasher.

I added a simple "report" button. After a user had been reported a few times they were silently sandboxed with other penis flashers so they could flash their penii at each other.

I love this way of dealing with bad actors - but I think that its a bad idea to let them know whats happening, as then they can try to circumvent. Keep them in the dark, just let them cheat against other cheaters and wonder why they suddenly suck - dont glamorize entering the cheater zone.

Re: Respawn will deal with Apex Legends cheaters by making them fight each other

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Post by midasz » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 8:51 AM UTC

egypturnash wrote: post #13

I hope they are also keeping separate rankings for cheaters, that would be pretty cool. "I'm currently the #5 player in the cheater zone of Apex." Heck, embrace it: don't call it the cheater rankings, call it the tool-assisted rankings, by analogy with "tool-assisted speedruns". Tag people at the end of the game with which particular cheats you detected. Pop up a polite notice that "We have noticed that you seem to b…

I think RuneScape (or old school runescape) used to do this as well, if your account was flagged for botting you'd be silently placed in a hidden world (and unable to join other worlds) with other botters so they could better keep an eye on you.

Re: Respawn will deal with Apex Legends cheaters by making them fight each other

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Post by Paraesthetic » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 9:50 AM UTC

egypturnash wrote: post #13

I hope they are also keeping separate rankings for cheaters, that would be pretty cool. "I'm currently the #5 player in the cheater zone of Apex." Heck, embrace it: don't call it the cheater rankings, call it the tool-assisted rankings, by analogy with "tool-assisted speedruns". Tag people at the end of the game with which particular cheats you detected. Pop up a polite notice that "We have noticed that you seem to b…

Or just tool rankings ;)

Re: Respawn will deal with Apex Legends cheaters by making them fight each other

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Post by skocznymroczny » Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 10:07 AM UTC

Meh. It's one of those cases in which people will praise the decision and be like "haha stupid cheaters will cheat on each other". But the reality is, if you can tell someone is a cheater, you could have banned them. If you make decisions like this, then you are admitting that your cheat detection code isn't perfect. As a result, some people with obvious cheats will have this experience, but many people will have their cheats undetected and nothing will change.