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Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by piadodjanho » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 3:09 PM UTC

sailingparrot wrote: post #48

piadodjanho wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I think it is appropriate to call this fearmongering. The planes with the faulty software are grounded and won't be flying until they new software is proven to be safe. The re-certification process will likely be stricter than usually is. Thus, any fear about flying in those planes are unjustified.

> Thus, any fear about flying in those planes are unjustified No they aren't. Not until the new software is indeed proven to be safe, and a review of the Max program completed to ensure corners weren't cut elsewhere as well. It will be fearmongering if all the above is done, and media are still trying to push fear. This is not the case today, so it's not fearmongering.

I see your point. I think I might have failed to express my point of view clearly.

I was talking about reason Boeing chose to rebrand the 787-MAX.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by phkahler » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 3:10 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #31

mannykannot wrote: post #13

On the one hand, I personally feel that trying to avoid the Maxes specifically, once they are allowed back in service, would be an excess of caution that overemphasizes the legacy of one issue. On the other hand, could they have found a better way of sending the message that they think the problem is passenger perceptions, rather than in systems engineering and adequate pilot training?

To be honest even without the fix, the risk for a passenger taking a single trip on this plane it still negligible. It is not really rational to worry as a passenger. It is when you work all year long on one of these planes that the risk becomes unacceptable.

Without any fix the plane is not safe. The MAX variant has not been around long enough to have 2 crashes, let alone 2 with no corrective action.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by appleiigs » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 3:14 PM UTC

neilv wrote: post #5

Will this prompt some fliers to avoid 737-anything or Boeing-anything?

Definitely not. Time and time again, it’s been proven people only care about the cheapest ticket price. You can nickel and dime them, treat them like cattle, and physically beat your customers and they will continue to use your airline and airplanes.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by __m » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 3:18 PM UTC

Well if I were concerned about safety I wouldn’t fly Ryanair in the first place, I don’t think the repaint was necessary

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by anticensor » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 3:21 PM UTC

_pmf_ wrote: post #28

What a very Ryanair thing to do.

Interestingly enough, the pilot who made a simulator experience video about 737 MAX runaway MCAS crash event (Mentour) is a Ryanair pilot too.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by skybrian » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 3:23 PM UTC

gourou wrote: post #3

> Photos have emerged of a repainted 737 Max in Ryanair colours outside Boeing’s manufacturing hub, with the name 737 Max replaced by 737-8200 on the nose. Now I'm worried about boarding any 737

Why? Do you think their safety record is worse than driving?

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by freeopinion » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 3:24 PM UTC

AznHisoka wrote: post #56

gourou wrote: post #3

> Photos have emerged of a repainted 737 Max in Ryanair colours outside Boeing’s manufacturing hub, with the name 737 Max replaced by 737-8200 on the nose. Now I'm worried about boarding any 737

Same here. If this happens, and my company is forcing me to business travel, I'm refusing to travel unless I'm put on an Airbus.

What fascinating language. "I'm using all my leverage to refuse" doesn't me "I refuse". I wonder how many Boeing engineers used all their leverage to refuse to compromise safety.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by tonyjstark » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 3:24 PM UTC

romanovcode wrote: post #29

LordFast wrote: post #6

Out of all the possible solutions, let's go ahead and choose the one that further destroys people's trust in our abilities to make sound decisions! /s Ridiculous.

Not ridicilous at all. Same tactics have worked for many multi-national companies after huge screwups and it worked. Just a few examples: https://www.businessinsider.com/7-companies-that-changed-nam...

United Fruits comes to mind, what a lovely company...

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by cabaalis » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 3:27 PM UTC

matz1 wrote: post #55

magduf wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an excess of caution, and it isn't one issue. This whole debacle has shown that safety is not a priority at Boeing at all, with misstep after misstep; we've only scratched the surface of the cancer running deep within this company. Remember, when the first plane crashed, they tried to blame the pilots. Then the second plane crashed, and they continued to insist it was safe. All the other nations' air safety…

I personally would not worry if my next flight is Boeing 737 max, the probability it will crash still very low, even if it do crash, I will be dead anyway it won't matter. Doesn't mean I trust Boeing, I trust market force, I trust that other people will keep the uproar to keep airline in check.

> I trust that other people will keep the uproar to keep airline in check.

I agree with you, and expect that engineers/regulators to do their jobs. But I think this is a form of the bystander effect. [1] I'm not sure what we can do proactively except be cognizant of what we choose to ride in.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by sametmax » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 3:27 PM UTC

LordFast wrote: post #6

Out of all the possible solutions, let's go ahead and choose the one that further destroys people's trust in our abilities to make sound decisions! /s Ridiculous.

Immoral yes. Ridiculous no.

People have a short memory and a strong affect toward symbolism.

Marketing just pulls the desired psychological tricks to reach their objective.

It works. Just like lying in politics works. Just like making corporate PR statements work. Just like in your face ads work. Just like showing boobs work.

It will work as long as people are cruising in their life instead of trying to build it. It will keep working because it goes with the flow of our internal mechanisms, and it takes conscious efforts to not be influenced by it. And it will keep being used because the value of doing so it far superior than the cost.