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Curious, why was 100BB used for six max? If I recall right, the head ups experiment was 200BB?
Guessing it's because it's most similar to a regular 6max game. Also it should limit lower the number of possible ways to play a hand, less chips means the correct choices are easier, so maybe it's computationally easier
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Any chance of the code being released or a cepheus style answer key being provided? http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/strategy
I don't think the poker world would be happy with us if we did that. Heads-up limit hold'em isn't really played professionally anymore, but six-player no-limit hold'em is very popular.
All the top high stakes players already have solvers that they've spent a lot of money developing and studying privately. They would definitely be upset with you, but by releasing the code you are democratizing the information to all the midstakes pros who want to study but don't have the resources to pay developers and solve the game privately.
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Any chance of the code being released or a cepheus style answer key being provided? http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/strategy
I don't think the poker world would be happy with us if we did that. Heads-up limit hold'em isn't really played professionally anymore, but six-player no-limit hold'em is very popular.
I'm one of the authors of the bot, AMA
How do you think these same pros would do in a follow-up match? As described in the article, the bot put players off their game with much more varied betting and with donks. Do you think the margin would decrease as players are exposed to these strategies? Players face mental fatigue and have so over-learned their existing strategies that it takes time to adapt new strategies and even more time for those new strategi…
I'm one of the authors of the bot, AMA
How do you think these same pros would do in a follow-up match? As described in the article, the bot put players off their game with much more varied betting and with donks. Do you think the margin would decrease as players are exposed to these strategies? Players face mental fatigue and have so over-learned their existing strategies that it takes time to adapt new strategies and even more time for those new strategi…
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Can you share some about what strategies the bot prefers and how these compare with common professional human strategies?
We talk about this a bit in the paper. Based on the feedback from the pros, the bot seems to "donk bet" (call and then bet on the next round) much more than human pros do. It also randomizes between multiple bet sizes, including very large bet sizes, while humans stick to just one or two sizes depending on the situation.
I'm one of the authors of the bot, AMA
Knowing when to bluff often depends on the psychology of the opponent, but since it trained playing itself it doesn't seem that knowing when to bluff would be learned. Did it bluff very often?
I'm one of the authors of the bot, AMA
Neal - super interesting stuff. Couple of questions: 1) What were the reasons for choosing 6-handed play (assuming logistical and costs)? It would be interesting to see how the bot’s strategy would differ in a full ring game. 2) Are there any plans to commercialize the bot as a tool for training human players?
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I couldn't find it confirmed in the primary or secondary article, but I would bet the bot is just playing cash at a fixed stack depth rather than a tournament; just like in the wild, bots are much more of a problem in online cash than online tournaments. Dynamically adjusting strategies by stack depth, number of players, and pay jumps, would probably be several orders of magnitude more complex.
> There were two formats for the experiment: five humans playing with one AI at the table, and one human playing with five copies of the AI at the table. In each case, there were six players at the table with 10,000 chips at the start of each hand. The small blind was 50 chips, and the big blind was 100 chips. In the fb article linked above.
How long until a slightly worse version of this model is reverse engineered and appears at every table in online poker?
Slightly worse versions are already out in the wild. Bot using the published technique will be live in a couple of months tops.