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Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

nvrspyx wrote: post #52
snarf21 wrote: post #38

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Absolutely. There needs to be a block this user right on the accept/cancel screen. Apple also needs to track who is doing this and repeat offenders lose access to FT in general or that iTunes account. I really don't understand why calls and texts don't have a default mode to only ring or pass through if they are from a contact. Depending on the government to prevent robo calling seems foolish. We need technology buil…

They also need to change it so that an incoming call doesn’t takes over the entire screen of your phone. I could be doing something on my phone like typing this comment and next thing I know, I’ve answered a call.

This is still the stupidest thing having moved from Android to iOS. Why would anybody want incoming calls to block the entire UI?

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Post by anticensor »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #61
nvrspyx wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also need to change it so that an incoming call doesn’t takes over the entire screen of your phone. I could be doing something on my phone like typing this comment and next thing I know, I’ve answered a call.

This is still the stupidest thing having moved from Android to iOS. Why would anybody want incoming calls to block the entire UI?

Because it is a telephone first and portable computer second.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Post by asveikau »

mathieuh wrote: post #59
asveikau wrote: post #57

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> There needs to be a block this user right on the accept/cancel screen Personally I hope I don't end up blocking a family member or someone else important because my phone is slipping around in my pocket when they happen to call.

I’m pretty sure the proximity sensor activates as soon as the call comes in, so the screen would be disabled until you take it out of your pocket.

You seem pretty confident that this will work as opposed to occasionally falling in the wrong state and, a rare instance multiplied by a large number of uses, happen to somebody.

Somehow despite this pocket dialing still happens.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Post by Chris_Chambers »

anticensor wrote: post #62
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #61

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This is still the stupidest thing having moved from Android to iOS. Why would anybody want incoming calls to block the entire UI?

Because it is a telephone first and portable computer second.

There’s always some “ackchyually” asshole ready to flex their sophistry muscle to defend the indefensibly idiotic thing people have unanimously identified as idiotic.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Post by andrewaylett »

anticensor wrote: post #62
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #61

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This is still the stupidest thing having moved from Android to iOS. Why would anybody want incoming calls to block the entire UI?

Because it is a telephone first and portable computer second.

But when I'm using it as a portable computer, the portable computer paradigm should prevail, which is what happens on Android: if my screen was off, I get a full-screen notification to swipe up on. If my screen was on, I get a notification at the top of the screen with buttons to accept or decline.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Post by merpnderp »

anticensor wrote: post #62
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is still the stupidest thing having moved from Android to iOS. Why would anybody want incoming calls to block the entire UI?

Because it is a telephone first and portable computer second.

I'd bet money that by average customer use, the classic telephony functionality of iOS phones accounts for less than 1% of phone usage. They're used as computers first, second, and third and as a phone a distant last.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Post by wool_gather »

amelius wrote: post #18
Nextgrid wrote: post #12

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It’s kind of sad that we live in a world where this behaviour is considered exceptional and something to be applauded, instead of being the normal way to do business, thanks to both morals and regulations with huge fines to control those who lack morals.

This is how they justify the existence of the App Store.

Can you expand on this? The App Store isn't really involved in this case: it's a first-party app, for one thing. It was also disabled by turning off the backend, which is something that any developer could do to their own app.

The Zoom thing has more to do with Apple as gatekeeper: they pushed an update to the OS that disallowed Zoom's web server from running.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Post by nvrspyx »

anticensor wrote: post #62
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is still the stupidest thing having moved from Android to iOS. Why would anybody want incoming calls to block the entire UI?

Because it is a telephone first and portable computer second.

Except that it’s not...not anymore. It’s primarily a computer that can take phone calls. How many people are still taking phone calls instead of texting, messaging, emailing, or connecting in other ways via social networks? How long is the Phone app used compared to Safari on your phone’s battery settings? For how many people is Phone at the bottom of that list? On mine it is.

Finally, your point is still completely irrelevant to why it needs to take over the entirety of the screen. It could still primarily be a phone without being intrusive when you’re doing “secondary” tasks.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Post by abalone »

asveikau wrote: post #57
snarf21 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. There needs to be a block this user right on the accept/cancel screen. Apple also needs to track who is doing this and repeat offenders lose access to FT in general or that iTunes account. I really don't understand why calls and texts don't have a default mode to only ring or pass through if they are from a contact. Depending on the government to prevent robo calling seems foolish. We need technology buil…

> There needs to be a block this user right on the accept/cancel screen Personally I hope I don't end up blocking a family member or someone else important because my phone is slipping around in my pocket when they happen to call.

Exactly. iOS does something like this with notifications where it added an super easy button right next to them on the lock screen for silencing / delivering them quietly. You just swipe left. Neat, right?

Except I accidentally hit it on an iMessage notification somehow without realizing and silenced all messages for a couple days without realizing it. Missed an important one too. Was kind of hard to undo that too.

It’s a tough UI problem.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Post by Nextgrid »

donkeyd wrote: post #19
nier wrote: post #17

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I’d like to add that job safety and the home that needs money brought to is also used as an excuse. People need to feel safer that they can act upon their morals and overcome whatever consequences arise. Friendships and family ties are one important ingredient for that. Sensible frugality another.

Definitely true. I ended up quitting and moving to another job because of unreasonable demands like this. I do imagine though, that in SV, where data is considered the new gold, it must be a lot harder to find jobs at ethical companies.

I’m actually skeptical about data being the new gold. Even if it is true now and we ignore the ethical implications, I don’t think it’ll remain gold in the long term. People have a limited attention span & wallet. There’s only so much advertising they can consume, anything after is worthless. Overall, anyone cashing in on data is diluting the pool for themselves & everyone else until there’s so much that the entire market is no longer sustainable.

The other issue is that there are 2 very strong competitors (Google & Facebook) that I’m not sure it’s wise to start a new company based solely on data/analytics/advertising.

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