YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems” • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by Causality1 » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 6:42 PM UTC

EnFinlay wrote: post #17

There are thousands of hours of excellent cybersecurity content hosted on YouTube. The possibility of losing this wealth of information and history is shocking to me. Time to start the archive effort. And to finally appreciate what so many other communities have gone through when they've found themselves on the wrong side of one of the internet behemoths. I feel naive.

Shocking indeed. Imagine if this thinking was applied to other classes of content. Banning game emulator videos. Banning piracy videos. Banning unauthorized iphone repair videos.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by gen3 » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 6:42 PM UTC

manjana wrote: post #59

gen3 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any recommendations on channels to archive?

'Adrian Crenshaw' He uploads from more than 20 hacking/infosec cons a year and has around 2k videos. 'IppSec' has around 100 CTF walkthroughs. 'Open SecurityTraining' has ~200 tutorial vids on topics like reverse engineering and malware analysis. Edit: added a few more.

Thank you!

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by jrockway » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 6:43 PM UTC

Below the original comment in a reply is YouTube's full list. One of the items bans videos about "hard drugs" which it defines as any drug that causes a physical addiction. Is there an incoming wave of coffee- and tea-related takedowns? Because I'm pretty sure that headache you get when you don't drink caffeine for a day is not your brain longing for the rich aroma of freshly-ground beans. It's a physical addiction to ... a drug!

They should just make the rules say "We don't know what our standards are. If someone flags your video and whoever happens to be reviewing things doesn't like you, you're gone. Buh bye." At least people couldn't complain, as every takedown would comply with their written policy.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by maerF0x0 » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 6:43 PM UTC

Or thinkspot becomes the youtube killer and we all continue on

https://www.ts.today/

edit: I have no idea how thinkspot is going to play out. But if I know one thing about the internet it's that it's really hard to stop people from using it however they please. Attempts to squash mostly just result a shift of where it occurs, not the fact that it occurs.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 6:43 PM UTC

nudpiedo wrote: post #49

Not anymore a conspiracy theory. This is the actual big brother modeling our futures, a group of people powerful enough, with their own interests and their own agenda with access to most peoples minds/lives, and who already publicly explained how they plan to influence on global geopolitics and society building. I find it disturbing this level of censorship. At first, it was pedophiles, murders and violent criminal a…

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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by im3w1l » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 6:44 PM UTC

unreal37 wrote: post #13

I know this might not be a popular opinion. But showing people how to hack systems... that seems like an OK thing to ban. It's a crime. Teaching people how to commit a crime has always been not OK.

If "we" stop learning how to hack/manipulate/fight but "they" don't, then "we'll" be easy targets for "them".

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by jrockway » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 6:44 PM UTC

nudpiedo wrote: post #49

Not anymore a conspiracy theory. This is the actual big brother modeling our futures, a group of people powerful enough, with their own interests and their own agenda with access to most peoples minds/lives, and who already publicly explained how they plan to influence on global geopolitics and society building. I find it disturbing this level of censorship. At first, it was pedophiles, murders and violent criminal a…

I don't think anyone is stopping you from putting your hacking video on your own website and letting users download it. That would be censorship. This is merely an aggregator/community that doesn't want to pay to distribute your content. So pay someone else!

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by ryanmercer » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 6:44 PM UTC

lutorm wrote: post #20

unreal37 wrote: post #13

I know this might not be a popular opinion. But showing people how to hack systems... that seems like an OK thing to ban. It's a crime. Teaching people how to commit a crime has always been not OK.

No, whether it's a crime depends. Is it a crime to teach people how to pick a lock?

>Is it a crime to teach people how to pick a lock?

I imagine that depends entirely on where the viewer lives, it wouldn't surprise me if some countries had laws that made it so.

Mere possession of lock picks themselves, according to this site https://tihk.co/blogs/news/116232133-lock-pick-legality , appear to be enough to get you arrested for intent to commit a crime in 5 states.

Given that laws vary wildly from county to county, city to city, state to state, country to country, sometimes stuff like this is simply CYA for YouTube.

You also have to keep in mind that YouTube is not a webhosting service or content delivery network, they exist to sell adspace for 99% of their income, if advertisers don't want to appear around guns/pornographic material/material of questionable legality/etc then it's well within YouTube's right to prohibit such content whether or not is legal to distribute.

People always rush to scream YouTube/Google is censoring them when they aren't. YouTube is not a government, YouTube is a business that sells ad space.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by radcon » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 6:44 PM UTC

sarcasmatwork wrote: post #7

Youtube updating its policy to ban videos they have already monetized from, while the creators get nothing. Youtube is a monopoly. Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists.

> Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists.

The most common response to this is that a YouTube alternative can't exist because Google operates it at a loss (unverifiable), so anyone who tries to compete will fail.

The YouTube business model also aligns perfectly with Google's strengths: Advertising, data storage, search, etc. So even if it is profitable, it would still be extremely difficult for anyone else to make money in the same market.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by jlmorton » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 6:44 PM UTC

There's a lot of bad content on the Internet, and a lot of people wanted to ban it. And the free speech absolutists said, that's a slippery slope. Once you start restricting speech beyond whatever is illegal, there will be no end to the demands to ban certain content.

And a lot of us said, slippery slopes are silly arguments. All we're asking is to ban overt racism and calls to violence. We can evaluate these things individually on their own terms.

It may turn out the absolutists had a point.