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Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by ummonk »

danShumway wrote: post #43

I'm slowly starting to suspect that maybe having human-readable names for domains is a mistake. Partially because phishing domains is already kind of easy (the rapid increase in tlds isn't helping ), partially because the race to grab and hold names has been having increasing negative effects, and partially because (aside from domains) many actual URLs are already impossible to remember. We're running into the same p…

I guess what you’re really saying is that human readable aliases should require identity verification? That makes sense.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by salawat »

privateSFacct wrote: post #35
salawat wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead? News flash: You're being that guy. They have a far more legitimate claim because they administer the majority of the geological zone known as the Amazon Basin, and have since long before Amazon the company was a twinkle in Bezos' eye? I mean... I'm hoping you were being tongue-in-cheek... Nowadays it seems to be getting more dif…

The word Amazon is an English word from Latin from Greek. It goes WAY back before peruvian groups were calling the Amazon the Amazon. Secondly, the idea that peruvian groups called the Río Marañón and Rio Solimões the Amazon before it was called the Amazon in english seems a bit unlikely.

Given the tech world seems to have centralized around English as the lingua franca as it were, I believe this argument can be safely dismissed.

Further, if they didn't want it, they were free to not contest it. They contested it. Given the circumstances, I see no leg to stand on to deny a more legitimate claim being held by Peruvians.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by _qxjp »

foota wrote: post #58

Related to discussion about domain industry in general, I stumbled on the weirdest business the other day trying to go to a website name and instead typing crun.com. It leads to https://venture.com/domains/ , which is... a startup that rents out high visibility domains to others, with discount plans available where the price increases exponentially with the assumption that your startup does as well. One of those thin…

Interesting quote that I found from Venture's homepage:

> The problem with not having the .com of your name is that it signals weakness. Unless you’re so big that your reputation precedes you, a marginal domain suggests you’re a marginal company.

- PAUL GRAHAM, Y Combinator

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by tialaramex »

athenot wrote: post #45
danShumway wrote: post #43

I'm slowly starting to suspect that maybe having human-readable names for domains is a mistake. Partially because phishing domains is already kind of easy (the rapid increase in tlds isn't helping ), partially because the race to grab and hold names has been having increasing negative effects, and partially because (aside from domains) many actual URLs are already impossible to remember. We're running into the same p…

You can do that today with IP addresses. v6 ones are plentiful. But I don't know how SSL would work without the domain part. EDIT: Cloudflare pulls it off here so it's certainly possible. https://1.1.1.1

Sure, you can just go buy a certificate for an IP address. The Subject Alternative Name extension used to make X.509 certificates work on the Internet this century takes IP addresses (IPv4 or IPv6) just as happily as DNS names (including IDNs, written with A-labels) or email addresses. You will need to prove enduring control over the IP address, often by showing that one of the RIRs issued it to you as part of a block assignment.

Of course running an RIR isn't free, and so the RIRs charge fees to their members, Cloudflare will be paying APNIC (and probably all the other RIRs since they're a global company).

And we're straight back to the usual suspects insisting that surely they ought to be entitled to everything for free. How can it possibly cost money to blah blah blah. Basically all you need to watch out for with such people is to make sure you get paid up front, because given an opportunity to stiff you they won't even feel guilty.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by sethhochberg »

danShumway wrote: post #52
athenot wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do that today with IP addresses. v6 ones are plentiful. But I don't know how SSL would work without the domain part. EDIT: Cloudflare pulls it off here so it's certainly possible. https://1.1.1.1

Can I move a v6 address between locations/machines?

Sure - but with most of the same caveats that apply to moving your own globally public IPv4 address around... ie, you need to register for an AS number, buy the IP space you want, and publish routes in the global internet routing table.

Its nowhere near as cheap as DNS and much more complicated (since you're concerned about things like how, physically, pulses on a wire/fiber will make it to the edge of your network.. you need to peer with one or more ISPs).

You could lease address space from an ISP and make all of that their problem, but then of course its not _your_ IP space. Think of it like the difference between being an internet user (leasing IP space) and a member of the internet (running your own network).

Since we're specifically talking about DNS in here though, I really don't think a stable IPv6 address would be a viable alternative to what we use DNS for.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by theandrewbailey »

WorldMaker wrote: post #55
ailideex wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We need a real DNS system, one where an individual can request and have a domain for life and which is truly decentralized. I very much want this also - but this cannot be solved in the same way as the challenge of business domain name assignment - a different approach should be used: [idx].[yyyyddmm].[given_names].[family_name].id e.g. 023.19830210.john_smith_3rd.doe.id given_names can have some standard seperator…

That bumps directly into "fallacies programmers believe about names". Not every culture uses family names the same or has them at all, for instance.

See also Falsehoods Programmers Believe About Names: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-...

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by PyroLagus »

toast0 wrote: post #31
pmlnr wrote: post #7

The whole decentralize everything! movement seems to overlook DNS. I get that technically the DNS system is decentralized, but in reality, you lease a domain from a random, usually politically charged entity, who can do anything with it, if they wish. We need a real DNS system, one where an individual can request and have a domain for life and which is truly decentralized. Unfortunately none of the attempts - .onion…

> one where an individual can request and have a domain for life Annual payment is proof that you're still alive. AlterNIC tried settint up alternate tlds years ago, and is now gone. The problems are an alternate root is very unlikely to get consensus, and name resolution without consensus isn't very useful; and you're not going to be able to have friendly names without an arbiter to decide who gets pmlnr.example.

OpenNIC is still going strong and has alternative TLDs. Of course, the problem is that most people won't be able to resolve your domain.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by jedberg »

soulofmischief wrote: post #46

> This is despite only six out of over 3,000 comments being in favor of removing price caps. Oh.. okay. Seems totally fair. If ICANN et al. want to charge an arm and a leg from non-profits seeking a .org domain on a public utility, I guess we can say goodbye to the prestige generally associated with that extension.

And all six were written by lobbyists for Verisign.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by jedberg »

tzs wrote: post #60
jlgaddis wrote: post #54

If you have any .org domains, you may want to consider a 10-year renewal before any price increases happen.

Network Solutions also offers 20 year and 100 year terms. ICANN rules say 10 years is the max, so I'm not sure how this works. Does NS just deal with it 10 years at a time at the underlying registry, eating any price increases themselves? 20 years .org at NS is $13.99/year, which is close to the more reasonable registries, such as Namecheap. 100 years gets it to $9.99/year, which is pretty good--if you believe that N…

That's a brilliant business model. They get all the money up front, get to invest how they want, and if there is a price increase, it probably will be less than inflation, and almost certainly less than their investment returns on your upfront payment.
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