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An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by Yizahi »

arjmandi wrote: post #55
Yizahi wrote: post #51

Calling Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps the "Iranian Entrepreneurs" is an interesting point of view. And thinking that you can somehow decouple IRGC from normal Iranians and continue normal relations with the country is naive at best.

Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps does any intention to publish something on Google and Apple platforms, on the contrary, they want to have their own platform. In other word, sanctions are aligned with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps

Any sanctions align with feudal regimes. How would countries punish such regimes without sanctions? Military operations? That's even worse. Personally I don't see a clear answer to such hard question.

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Post by tremon »

jasonzemos wrote: post #44

These sanctions are designed to foster resentment in Iranians toward their government. The seeds of this resentment are already blossoming in the post-Iran/Iraq war generation developing these apps. This generation is simply not capable of conforming to the religious zeal required of them by the ayatollahs, sanctions or not. The days are numbered for the velāyat. The funds received by an Iranian civilian entrepreneur…

These sanctions also make it impossible for Iranians to live their lives away for their government's supposed zeal. People trying to evade their government's yoke depend on external channels. Cut off these channels, and you only increase their dependence on their government.

The funds received by an Iranian civilian entrepreneur are still open to subjugation by the government.

So it's like civil asset forfeiture?

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Post by tremon »

bronzeage wrote: post #14

Iranians need to realize that if they don't anything now about their oppressive regime, they might never be able to. look at China, with their social score, Mass face recognition tech and surveillance. If there were no sanctions, you would be heading the same way. even with santions, it's just a matter of time until every authoritarian Regime in the world is impossible to overthrow. China will export its 1984 tech to…

Americans need to realize that if they don't anything now about their oppressive regime, they might never be able to.

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Post by qubex »

alehul wrote: post #49
qubex wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reasons for the power asymmetry do not affect the severity of the asymmetry.

I’m trying to understand and make this analogous to what you were replying to: The reasons for the act (racist or not) does not affect it being racism?

Perhaps it makes more sense if I phrase it thusly: the consequences of the decision do not depend upon why the decision was taken. It certainly sounds like a discriminatory practice, based on what is indicated. For sure, even if it had a decorous reason behind it, the consequences thereof are no less severe and irksome.

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Post by Yizahi »

arjmandi wrote: post #2

There are lots of ways to provide free access to information to everyone. How do you expect other people to grow without giving them enough information to understand? Peace depends on the freedom

Russia has semi-free access to information and majority of Russians applaud the wars that their governments wage against their neighbors.

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Post by enedil »

izacus wrote: post #38
bsaul wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, racism now doesn't mean race ? Or does race includes nationality in your definition ?

What's the practical difference? You're being punished due to a place you've been born in. Not something you did wrong. Just a luck of nature. And that's wrong. By any moral standard.

If you're in a place where being woman is disadvantageous, would you call such disadvantage "racist"? Clearly it fits your description. If you think it's wrong, then I agree with you. If you think it's racist, then no way, it isn't and you just don't know the words you use.

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Post by qaq »

mcherm wrote: post #25
mschuster91 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's not, Americans have had difficulties getting banking in Germany because banks fear having US customers exposes them to liabilities. It's all a huge pile of steaming manure, especially that the US considers companies in the US liable for things that their holding or child companies do in other countries - even if the behavior is fully legal in the place where it happens. And banks and other corporations with e…

> This is straight up racism >> No it's not, [banks are scared if the US] Yes, banks are scared of the US. And perhaps the racism stems from the Italian bank, perhaps it stems from the US government, perhaps it stems from the Iranian definition of citizenship, perhaps all share a part of the blame. But regardless of who gets the blame, it most definitely IS straight up racism.

You do realize that Iran means "the land of Aryans"?

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Post by mpweiher »

mschuster91 wrote: post #20
catmanjan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is straight up racism.

No it's not, Americans have had difficulties getting banking in Germany because banks fear having US customers exposes them to liabilities. It's all a huge pile of steaming manure, especially that the US considers companies in the US liable for things that their holding or child companies do in other countries - even if the behavior is fully legal in the place where it happens. And banks and other corporations with e…

Oh, not just Americans. I am German. When I moved to the US for a while, most German banks wanted nothing more to do with me.

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Post by sarbaz »

Alir3z4 wrote: post #9

It's not even about being in Iran, you can be anywhere and they will hunt you down and will try everything in their power to make you suffer more. I've written about my own experience at https://alireza.gonevis.com/how-i-didnt-get-my-first-paying-...

I have to ask: why not find an Emirati friend you trust and have them be the owners of the business and you an employee? It sounds like it would be less costly.
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