Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe they're pushing people to get the best school for their major. I think going to Stanford for CS will open more doors than going to Oregon State. There is a significant networking aspect to these top schools as well. I see it very clearly with my friends who went to CalTech and Stanford. It's probably not a coincidence that many (most?) of my peers in the bay area are people who graduated from top schools and/or…
OSU has quite a bit to offer that can jumpstart a CS career, like the OSU Open Source Lab: http://osuosl.org Meanwhile, not really sure I think of Stanford as a CS school, unlike MIT & similar.
Two-thirds of American employees regret their college degrees
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Re: Two-thirds of American employees regret their college degrees
#62This is truly shocking to me. I'd have thought that most people value the experience of college so immensely that it was worth the cost. I'll be paying student debt for the rest of my life, but in retrospect I'd have happily paid double for the experiences and perspectives I gained.
This seems like a unique perspective to me. Can you elaborate on those experiences you found most valuable?
Hell, I'd pay triple.
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#63In WA, there is a program where you can finish the last two years of high school at a community college and graduate with a two year degree for free. It was probably the best decision of my life. I basically got to trial and error all of my interests for free much earlier and cheaper than everyone else. And it went against the guidance of my school counselors. They thought community college would hurt my chances at g…
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#64>Most satisfied: Those with science, technology, engineering and math majors, who are typically more likely to enjoy higher salaries, reported more satisfaction with their college degrees. About 42% of engineering grads and 35% of computer science grads said they had no regrets. >Most regrets: Humanities majors, who are least likely to earn higher pay post-graduation, were most likely to regret their college educatio…
Re: Two-thirds of American employees regret their college degrees
#65In WA, there is a program where you can finish the last two years of high school at a community college and graduate with a two year degree for free. It was probably the best decision of my life. I basically got to trial and error all of my interests for free much earlier and cheaper than everyone else. And it went against the guidance of my school counselors. They thought community college would hurt my chances at g…
> And it went against the guidance of my school counselors. They thought community college would hurt my chances at getting into "Prestigious Schools". I mean, they're not wrong. You will statistically be less likely to get into those schools. Once you're a transfer student, your acceptance rates go down significantly for prestigious private colleges. (And some public universities too) If your goal is to graduate fro…
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#66Maybe they don't regret their degrees but their jobs. The current job market totally disregards the passions and aspirations of our generation. Maybe we should treat enrolment per degree as a sort of voting system and allocate financial resources accordingly. After all students are drown from the society, so their aspirations are society's aspirations. Unfortunately capital allocation decisions are made by managers w…
Re: Two-thirds of American employees regret their college degrees
#67In WA, there is a program where you can finish the last two years of high school at a community college and graduate with a two year degree for free. It was probably the best decision of my life. I basically got to trial and error all of my interests for free much earlier and cheaper than everyone else. And it went against the guidance of my school counselors. They thought community college would hurt my chances at g…
Running Start alumni here. It's an amazing program, but I often wonder if it was the right decision. Leaving high school at 10th (of 12) grade had a major impact on my life. I lost out on those long term friendships, prom, senior year, graduation, and the collective preparation for college, as well as missing out on freshman year OF university, etc. I don't have high school reunions to attend. In the end, it didn't c…
That would still have happened, only two years later.
> I don't have high school reunions to attend.
Is this an american thing? I am living in Germany and I know plenty of people that don't care about high school reunions at all.
I don't know your situation, but you might be idealizing.
Re: Two-thirds of American employees regret their college degrees
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Important to note the phrasing of this. 58% of engineering grads and 65% of CS grads still said they regretted their degrees - which isn't far off the numbers of those in the humanities.
This really surprises me. I would have expected maybe 30% based on so many people not making it through the program. At my school they had to get 2/3rds to drop by junior year or there would be too many in the program, and they never missed that goal. I saw very few make it through who were not genuinely interested in the subject.
All of those people are going to regret struggling through the CS program only to find out that the programming problems in school were trivial and the real stuff is messy and confusing as hell.
I tell anyone who asks that they should get some sort of programming job as an undergrad. If you can't hack it, you can get some other degree in 5 years. If you can, you'll learn so much more from your classes, because you'll have the practical bits down pat and you can focus on the theoretical.
One of my friends got a job junior year. I would ask him how long the homework took him and he would say something like 2 hours. Bullshit. It took me 10 and there were people in the lab a lot longer than me. There is no fucking way that's true. I stopped asking him because it just pissed me off. Senior year I got a job working at the same place, and within a couple months I was down to 4-5 hours. Ok, maybe he wasn't bragging. Maybe practice really is that important.
By the time I left, with maybe a couple thousand hours of programming under my belt, I had one class with a shortage of machines (3D cards). I would sit in my apartment writing code in a terminal window on one of those machines, essentially blind, for two hours. When I'd get a clean compile I'd go over to the lab to debug for 40-75 minutes. Because doing the homework was just doing the homework, like a math class, instead of a huge production.
Then I'd go back to work and stare at a complex memory corruption bug for 5 hours...
Re: Two-thirds of American employees regret their college degrees
#69We've got to stop letting 18-22 year-olds make incredibly expensive life/career decisions with zero information.
A more specific proposal to consider: Congress could revert the 2005 decision that made private student loans much harder to discharge in bankruptcy. I don't know if that would be enough for the problem to then resolve itself, as I don't know what percentage of the student loan debt is made of private vs federal loans, but it's something specific and targets a particular feedback loop.
Re: Two-thirds of American employees regret their college degrees
#70Maybe they don't regret their degrees but their jobs. The current job market totally disregards the passions and aspirations of our generation. Maybe we should treat enrolment per degree as a sort of voting system and allocate financial resources accordingly. After all students are drown from the society, so their aspirations are society's aspirations. Unfortunately capital allocation decisions are made by managers w…